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Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis: Constitutional Lawyer Discusses Ramifications
The Bulletin ^ | 12/1/08 | John Connolly

Posted on 12/01/2008 6:04:32 AM PST by pissant

Controversy continues to surround President-elect Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, and a case involving his birth certificate waits for its day before the U.S. Supreme Court. A constitutional lawyer said were it to be discovered that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, it would have grave consequences for the nation.

According to the Constitution, a president must be a natural born citizen of the U.S. Mr. Obama's critics have failed to force him legally to produce his original birth certificate, and Mr. Obama has resisted any attempt to make him do so. Currently, only Hawaii Department of Health officials have access to Mr. Obama's original records.

Some of Mr. Obama's critics have said he was born in Kenya and have claimed he is a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia, or even a British subject.

Edwin Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who has practiced for 30 years and holds four degrees from Harvard, said if it were to be discovered Mr. Obama were not eligible for the presidency, it would cause many problems. They would be compounded if his ineligibility were discovered after he had been in office for a period of time.

"Let's assume he wasn't born in the U.S.," Mr. Vieira told The Bulletin. "What's the consequence? He will not be eligible. That means he cannot be elected validly. The people and the Electoral College cannot overcome this and the House of Representatives can't make him president. So what's the next step? He takes the oath of office, and assuming he's aware he's not a citizen, then it's a perjured oath."

Any appointments made by an ineligible president would have to be recalled, and their decisions would be invalidated.

(Excerpt) Read more at thebulletin.us ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: bcrepository; birthcertificate; certifgate; certifigate; democrats; larrysinclairslover; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; repository; stbc; vieira
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To: pissant

related....

http://www.network54.com/Forum/578302/thread/1228146689/last-1228146689/http-—www.mininova.org-tor-1991214


141 posted on 12/01/2008 7:53:56 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: hoosiermama
Sorry, but the next person in line would be Nancy P. not Hill.

I know, but I'm betting she turns it down as will Biden.

142 posted on 12/01/2008 7:54:43 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: mel; Fishrrman; pissant; LucyT; Congressman Billybob; editor-surveyor; Zack Attack; Polarik

If the fraudulent affirmative action candidate produces what he claims to be the long form BC then that automatically opens the vault copy to the public ... by producing a forgery claiming it to be authentic he would have removed the restriction on the disclosure of that document by ‘default’. I strongly suspect that his motive for hiding his actual long form certificate is related to a trail of conflicting claims he’s used throughout his life, to get into college on foreign student assistance, to travel to Pakistan as an Indonesian citizen, to run for the IL Senate on fraudulent claims, and run for president in spite of the fatc that his swearing no other names used or citizenship claimed is a fraud. This man’s life is a house of affirmative action cards, that’s why he has to keep ALL of his documentation hidden from public disclosure, because he has fraudulently promoted himself and his imagery will collapse like a house of affirmative action cards if even a simple school application is exposed.


143 posted on 12/01/2008 7:58:38 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: TonyStark
Don't count on it...as crazy as our people, our country, has become, I tend not to count on right, truth and justice being applied...this whole thing is just sickening.

Why is no part of the law or gov. holding this man responsible for bringing his birth certificate out in the open? How is it that he can get by with ignoring this procedure that every other candidate has been forthcoming with...

The question was asked, “what if he says, so what,what are you going to do about it?” Hasn't he, isn't he already saying that? We should all be screaming at the main stream media for their total black out on this...I don't care if you're a lib or a conservative..ask yourself, if this were a Republican or Conservative...do you really think they'd get this same coverage, or lack thereof?

144 posted on 12/01/2008 8:04:24 AM PST by Molly T.
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To: MHGinTN

thanks for info. I agree. I have never seen so much secrecy in my life.


145 posted on 12/01/2008 8:08:09 AM PST by mel
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

I have more confidence in Al Qeida than I do my own government.


146 posted on 12/01/2008 8:08:32 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: reasonisfaith

“The Supreme Court Justices’ devotion to the Constitution will be severely tested soon.”

Yes it will! I have to trust that the Justices will uphold the Constitution.

If anyone hears about the response from Obama’s attorneys to Justice Souter today, please ping me. Thanks!


147 posted on 12/01/2008 8:12:39 AM PST by seekthetruth
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bttt


148 posted on 12/01/2008 8:16:59 AM PST by Ghengis (Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

He does have a track record and is respected, however.


149 posted on 12/01/2008 8:17:06 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: DouglasKC
See post 72,etc. and Electoral College.

I see it clearly stated constitutionally that should Barack Husein Obama or any candidate be declared legally ineligible for any reason,his name simply is removed from the list of those to be voted on by the electors.

The members of the Electoral College have constitutional freedom to select the person they think is the best choice;they are constrained to varying degree by state laws,traditions,oaths, or conscience, but I see no conbstitutional reason the electors couldn't choose any of the other declared presidential candidates.

Once the Electoral College votes ,and if Obama were still chosen by them,it becomes murkier.

Richard Nixon was forced from the presidency by his own party for covering up his staff involvement in a third-rate breaking-and-entering;anyone think the party that promotes voter fraud will care about THEIR guy being a presidential fraud?

150 posted on 12/01/2008 8:17:17 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: pissant
Then read it more carefully.

Why not just point it out?

151 posted on 12/01/2008 8:17:53 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: pissant

Par for the course


152 posted on 12/01/2008 8:18:48 AM PST by screaming eagle2
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To: Sacajaweau

Wrong. On to the house of Representatives to select a qualified President.


153 posted on 12/01/2008 8:19:46 AM PST by noname07718 (Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction-Ronald Reagan 1993)
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To: Zack Attack
Maybe it will be a democrat but the people deserve a fair election. If McCain lost to someone perpetrating great fraud, then we have unexplored waters IMO.

Constitutionally there was nothing unfair about it, and if Obama is found to be ineligible then that doesn't change it. If he died there wouldn't be a repeat election. The election was held, the Constitution lays out the means to replace Obama if he is found to be ineligible, there will be no new election.

154 posted on 12/01/2008 8:20:08 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Wil H
Except the whole ticket is fraudulent so he gets disqualified because of his running mate.

Based on what? Where does the Constitution specify that?

155 posted on 12/01/2008 8:20:57 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: sport

The SCOTUS may not rule him eligible or ineligible. What they can do to punt the ball out of their own backfield is to rule that he must release the vault copy. I suspect he has prepared for that exact scenario and his recent visit to ‘visit his dying grandmother’ whom he though so little of that once she died he remained stateside rather than honor her passing in even a memorial service may have now taken care of. Hawaiian Health official Fukino has connections to the Communist past of Hawai’i and to Barack’s Socialist father.


156 posted on 12/01/2008 8:21:22 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

OK. See post 72


157 posted on 12/01/2008 8:21:55 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: NCC-1701

Doctor Dean, Accountability is calling you!


158 posted on 12/01/2008 8:22:07 AM PST by noname07718 (Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction-Ronald Reagan 1993)
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To: Non-Sequitur
“Nothing in the Constitution supports that. If Obama is found to be ineligible then the 20th Amendment provides the means to replace him.”

My understanding is that the 20th Amendment applies AFTER Obama would become “President-elect” which means AFTER the Electoral College votes on December 15 and if they vote for him. If Obama is found ineligible to hold office before the Electoral College meets, the Electors are free to vote for someone else and have the duty to only vote for someone who qualifies constitutionally.

159 posted on 12/01/2008 8:22:31 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Sacajaweau

Illegal Alien. But, that gives all of our other Illegal Aliens a bad name.


160 posted on 12/01/2008 8:23:56 AM PST by noname07718 (Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction-Ronald Reagan 1993)
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