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Capitalism Without Capital?[Ron Paul]
House.gov ^ | 14 Oct 2008 | Ron Paul

Posted on 10/14/2008 11:42:34 AM PDT by BGHater

It has been long understood that our federal government is going deeper into debt, consistently raising the debt ceiling and demonstrating no fiscal restraint. In recent years, debt ceiling increases have been placed in “must pass” legislation as a means to guarantee that Republicans as well as Democrats would vote for them when Congress was under Republican control.

We also know our nation’s “negative savings rate” reflects the habits of private citizens, showing those habits to be not tremendously different than the habits of the public sector. Yet, the signs of decline are becoming ever more apparent. So apparent, in fact, that it seems unlikely that bailouts or other gimmicks will have even short term success. More inflation, and creating moral hazard by bailing out egregious offenders, is a recipe for disaster. These activities can seem to provide some short term relief, but it seems we are now at a significant crisis point, where monetary policy gimmicks don’t provide the band-aids they did in the past.

Not only is our nation on the verge of bankruptcy, but so are its people and private institutions. We are now repeatedly hearing about businesses “needing to access the credit market to make payroll.” This is an unmistakable sign of more dire consequences ahead for the economy. If businesses must borrow just to make payroll, this is evidence of a severe undercapitalization that cannot be sustained, even for the short run.

Couple these facts with items such as the explosion of the “pay day loan” industry and the unmasking of the false sense of economic well-being is nearly complete. These pay day loan companies use preferred access to easy credit to inject cash into the hands of the working poor. They are nearly always set up in lower-income neighborhoods. These people, who are struggling to buy food and pay rent, get addicted to the credit drug. Their standard of living is only further depressed by the interest payments on these loans that make them profitable to their providers. Thus, the recipients are left even less capable of paying for items such as food and housing in the long run, without using this credit again and again.

These people are often the very ones being paid by businesses who “borrow to make payroll.” This is the dark underbelly of the fiat money, borrow and spend economy this nation has been building. As the government takes over more and more functions of the economy many see the rise of socialism as an antidote to this failure of “capitalism”. However, the fact remains that our economy has been increasingly running on debt, not capital. Capitalism does not exist without capital and debt is not, has never been and will never be a form of capital. Only now are we seeing the more dire implications of an economy without capital.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: capital; capitalism; economy; lp; ronpaul
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To: rom

I’m glad someone pointed this out. We need to stop policing the world and especially our allies who are more than capable of defending themselves.


21 posted on 10/14/2008 3:44:30 PM PDT by djsherin (The federal government: Because your life isn't screwed up enough!)
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To: Gondring; rabscuttle385; bamahead

ping


22 posted on 10/14/2008 3:48:23 PM PDT by djsherin (The federal government: Because your life isn't screwed up enough!)
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To: cripplecreek

It’s suicidal. But if you want insight (in case you don’t know), the GDP is calculated based off consumption. All forms of consumption (consumer, government, investment etc.) “help” the economy while savings “hurts” it because savings is by definition not consumption.

That’s why the government tells us to consume when we’re in a recession. It’s wrong and it’s actually worse for the economy, but the numbers say the economy is growing. By that definition if everyone went out and spent all their money and went into heavy debt, the economy would “grow”. Of course it would be suicidal in the long (and in that case short) run, but the numbers would tell us that the economy grew.

In reality, without savings an economy is doomed.


23 posted on 10/14/2008 3:52:57 PM PDT by djsherin (The federal government: Because your life isn't screwed up enough!)
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To: griswold3

I heard that during the Depression the government forced businesses to spend their excess cash (i.e. not save) or the government would tax it away.

People view FDR as the savior of the country. I see him as something close to a fascist.


24 posted on 10/14/2008 3:56:00 PM PDT by djsherin (The federal government: Because your life isn't screwed up enough!)
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To: BGHater

He is right. If you are borrowing to make payroll, you are not in a viable business. You can’t last long term that way.


25 posted on 10/14/2008 4:03:37 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: rom
Don’t Blame Me. I voted for Ron Paul.

Don't blame me, I'm writing in Ron Paul.

26 posted on 10/14/2008 4:06:25 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: djsherin; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
This is the dark underbelly of the fiat money, borrow and spend economy this nation has been building. As the government takes over more and more functions of the economy many see the rise of socialism as an antidote to this failure of “capitalism”. However, the fact remains that our economy has been increasingly running on debt, not capital. Capitalism does not exist without capital and debt is not, has never been and will never be a form of capital.



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or just reply to this post!
27 posted on 10/14/2008 8:30:29 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead
Capitalism does not exist without capital and debt is not, has never been and will never be a form of capital.

The economy has been running with monetary capital...someone else's excess capital, though. The big question is what happens when that someone either decides to stop lending or becomes unable to continue lending.

28 posted on 10/14/2008 9:09:26 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: rabscuttle385

And now it’s running with government capital...

[shudder]


29 posted on 10/14/2008 9:13:31 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead
And now it’s running with government capital...

What government capital?

Oh, you mean...the Fed's funny money, right?

You know just as well as I do what the intrinsic value of the U.S. dollar is.

30 posted on 10/14/2008 9:16:38 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: bamahead

bttt


31 posted on 10/15/2008 4:35:07 AM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: Onerom99; BGHater

But, IS his foriegn/national security policy so wrong?

I too questioned his sanity in that department. But, after a cooling down period, and some serious looks at his points, I really don’t think he was so wrong after all.

All of this is tied together, the economy, defense budgets, etc.

If we’re broke, thanks to the likes of those in power now, ARE we safe?

I think not.


32 posted on 10/15/2008 4:45:51 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Terry Mross

“I know it was a typo but I’m afraid our military will be in “counties” under Obama.”

Don’t look now but, our military is already in “counties”, courtesy of the Bush administration.


33 posted on 10/15/2008 5:39:15 AM PDT by AmericanHunter
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To: rabscuttle385
What government capital?

You know....the kind you get when Paulson and Bernanke wave their magic money wands.

It's literally conjured up from thin air.
34 posted on 10/15/2008 5:49:15 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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