Posted on 08/22/2008 7:42:30 AM PDT by marktwain
"They can have any number of reasons" for not volunteering, Brown said. "They could be against it, they could be anti-government, or they eventually may want to help."
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Exercise your rights, be investigated. I would certainly not volunteer for any of this. Glocks are notorious for having balistic traces that are virtually indistinguishable from each other.
This is plain stupid, and a waste of tax money and investigators time.
We are the gov’t and we are here to help you.
If you’re innocent, what have you got to hide?
We just want to clear you.
And yes, there is a really big chaznce your barrel may produce similar results.
No, it is not a waste of time. It is an illustration of just how few leads this case has. If an investigative agency is reduced to doing what is little more than a random gun canvas they cannot have any other way to go.
I would have thought a .40 cal. would be considered a LARGE cal. bullet.
Dumb move on their part. They should have forced the cops to get a warrant, just on principle.
Officer Friendly should be doing ballistic tests on all LEO .40’s in that area also if there was any sincerity to the reason for this testing. JMO
So let me get this straight - A murder occurs and firearms owners submit their weapons for testing.
So I suppose the next time a woman is raped, will all men will have to submit their d**ks for testing in Oklahoma?
If I didn’t do it, I wouldn’t take my gun in.
They are essentially asking for innocent people to prove they didn’t do it. Just something hinky about that to me.
If they have so little to go on, my going in and proving that my gun did not do it doesn’t get them any closer to the killer.
And I am sure as hell not going to give anyone the chance to screw up and come to the erroneous conclusion that I did do it. Not going to happen.
Check this story out, Dave.
This article was already posted a few days ago. You can read the flame wars there.
This is f’ing chilling.
The thug who murdered these two is sitting there, with his head in his hands, worried sick, yes sick, that he got a letter from local leo's, and he needs to go down and get his firearm tested.
What to do, what to do?
What struck me about this is that it was *identical* to the technique used by police in England to obtain DNA samples, after a particularly brutal crime.
But it didn’t stop there!
It began by asking all “adult males” in a city to submit DNA, to “eliminate them as suspects”. And they did get a very high turn out. And once in the database, the police *kept* that DNA information for future reference.
Then, unrelated to that brutal crime, other cities decided to do the same, asking for “voluntary” submissions of DNA, after they had their own, if not as heinous, crimes. Again, “helpful but stupid” citizens gave up their DNA, to be added to the database.
Then, seemingly out of the blue, the English Home Office started an elaborate process to create a NATIONAL DNA database. First, with just taking involuntary DNA samples from its prisoners. Then taking DNA samples from people who had been arrested, but not convicted.
And finally, to demand DNA samples from every citizen of England.
As such, they now have a national DNA database.
Remember, as with associating guns with gun owners, the police only have to do it once, and then they know forever. This now means that to identify most of the gun owners and guns in an area, they just need to poll gun dealers say, 20 times, for the most popular gun models.
This time, they’re looking for .40 Glocks. Next time, .357 Magnum S&Ws. Etc.
Does anyone honestly believe that the federal government isn’t trying to incrementally determine who owns guns, and what type of guns they own?
They may do it more subtly than the English, or sneakily, as the case may be. But do you doubt it for a minute?
Don't give 'em any ideas.
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That prompted concern Tuesday among many in the public, who noted that Oklahoma does not have a gun-registry law nor a central database of gun owners.
The wisdom of volunteering for testing aside, it seems like this incident establishes that the current system works, and that there's no need for a central database.
“Got probably cause, or else kiss my arse.”
I'd return a letter, certified to tell them politely “cease and desist any investigation in to my ownership of said firearm, or else you'll be hearing from my lawyer.”
CC the NRA legal team.
"Almost...and you want something besides a warrant.
In my case it's "I'm sorry, but I have been and am sworn to support and defend the Constitution, and since waiver of any constitutional right is a dimunitation or abrogation of that constitutional provision, it could be used as evidince that I do not take my constitutional oath seriously, or even result in a perjury charge against me.
Accordingly, any further request or demand by you that I waive any right guaranteed by me under the U.S. Constitution thereby constitutes a felonious soliticion or Subornation to commit perjury, a violation of federal law, Title 18 of the U.S. Criminal Code, §ection 1622.
Additionally, such a violation by a public servant such as yourself during the course of his duty constitutes felony Official Misconduct under state law, an Offense against Public Administration, and must be reported and charged as such to the full extent of the law.
If you have any additional questions for me, please have a written statement of transactional immunity prepared so that I can fully cooperate with your questioning without becoming in any way involved in criminal activity on your part."
That'd shut 'em up for good.
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So can anybody just gather ownership information? I thought gun purchase records were destroyed shortly after FBI approval. Are gunstore owners being pressured to supply sales records? This sounds like backdoor gun registration Ad Hoc.
“to see why they didn’t volunteer”
Then it wasn’t VOLUNTARY!
Let me ask the cops something. Do they think the GUILTY person is going to take his/her gun down to the station?
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