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McCain Wins (Saddleback) with Home Field Advantage
The Washington Post/Newsweek ^ | August 19, 2008 | Professor Jacques Berlinerblau

Posted on 08/19/2008 5:01:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The hands-down winner of Saturday evening's Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency was John McCain. The loser was American secularism. As for Barack Obama, well, let's just say it was his most_Dukakis-y performance_yet.

While commentators have made much of how "nuanced" Obama was in his responses to Pastor Rick Warren's prompts, I think it would be better to describe him as "calm, even subdued." And let me not mince words: being nuanced, calm and even subdued is not necessarily the winning formula in front of a megachurch full of Evangelicals.

In mainstream Evangelical culture one testifies to the Glory of God exuberantly, unhesitatingly, with hands thrust heavenward, heart open wide and eyes scanning the horizon for possible indices of the Kingdom's coming. It looks like McCain, who will never be confused for a seminarian, figured that one out.

With his here-I-stand swagger he played to the galleys expertly (this is one of the first times I can recall where his opponent was not the overwhelming crowd favorite). Here is McCain delegitimizing the liberal 4/9 of United States Supreme Court. Here he is recounting that POW anecdote for the one zillionth time (but now he smartly adds that he and his gun guard "were just two Christians worshipping together"). Here he is reminding us that he is "saved and forgiven." Here he is talking about his church (an aside that reminds us that Senator Obama doesn't have a church).

But most of all he rehearsed his anti-abortion bona fides. With Obama conveniently playing the role of Pro-Choice Blue State Guy, the Maverick started sharpening the contrasts. This may well be remembered as the night that pro-Life Evangelicals finally understood what they should have understood 12 months ago: McCain delivers on this issue and has a quarter-century track record of doing so.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; christianvote; election; elections; evangelicals; mccain; obama; rickwarren; saddleback
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Pretty good analysis, IMO.
1 posted on 08/19/2008 5:04:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Especially when you factor in the source.

The “above my pay grade” remark was enough in of itself for contrast.


2 posted on 08/19/2008 5:06:46 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama was out of place in a Christian institution.
3 posted on 08/19/2008 5:07:19 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When you're catching flak, you know you're over the target.

The liberals in general seem to be completely unhinged by l'affair Saddleback.

4 posted on 08/19/2008 5:07:47 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The writer wears the reader out. It is clear that he would have preferred another outcome.


5 posted on 08/19/2008 5:08:07 PM PDT by billhilly (I was republican when republican wasn't cool. (With an apology to Barbara Mandrell.))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Me thinks this subject matter is above The Washington Post/Newsweek's pay grade.



Penetrating Insights into the Obvious
6 posted on 08/19/2008 5:09:47 PM PDT by MichaelAsher54
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It goes beyond Evangelicals. Americans want to hear blunt, no-nonsense answers rather than endless blathering to avoid a straight answer.

Most folks think Post-modernism is a stupid waste of time. It’s easy to navel-gaze over a beer after class, but most of us have jobs and families. We don’t want to have to sift through 15,000 words to figure out where a candidate is coming from.


7 posted on 08/19/2008 5:15:29 PM PDT by keepitreal ("I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message. . . until I don't.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Wait a minute, I thought the Christians were backing Obama? At least thats the garbage the news has been spewing the last few weeks. Which is it? He falls apart in a Christian forum and now McCain was the one with the home field advantage.
8 posted on 08/19/2008 5:16:52 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: billhilly
> The writer wears the reader out. It is clear that he would have preferred another outcome <

Yeah, but he's sure right with the "Dukakisy" comment. I've been thinking ever since Saturday nite that the image of the oh-so-cool and oh-so-nuanced Obama, with his head leaning sideways and with his mouth barely concealing a smirk, was the Dukakis in the Tank moment of this campaign.

9 posted on 08/19/2008 5:17:27 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Baladas
We need to get that “Above My Pay Grade” on a Bumper Sticker.

The Presidential Seal with those words next to it would do nicely.
And for all those hold-the-nose and vote for McCain people who just can't get themselves to go so far as to put a McCain sticker on their car.

10 posted on 08/19/2008 5:19:29 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo
I don't know how they could propagate that myth but for widespread biblical ignorance. No Christian can support abortion, or even the legal blessing of the choice of abortion. To support "choice" is by inference to support the act chosen, because otherwise one would oppose its legality. "Choice" in and of itself, though it provides a convenient euphemism for abortion, carries no ethical weight; the issue is not choice, but a particular choice, namely the dismemberment of another human being.
11 posted on 08/19/2008 5:24:23 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Baladas

it was lop sided! wasn’t it?

the remark is appropriate to people at a lower level; oba mao 8

makes big bucks and is one of the 100, a u.s senator.

and, inappropriate to a religious discussion.


12 posted on 08/19/2008 5:32:49 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: Myrddin

When the pastor DOESN’T say GD AmeriKKKa and give prissy impressions of Hillary Clinton cryin’ like a typical white woman, Barry is lost in a big church.


13 posted on 08/19/2008 5:33:15 PM PDT by weegee (The higher taxes that Obama demands of Americans are 'Above my Pay Grade'.)
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To: Myrddin
Obama was out of place in a Christian institution.

I disagree. He got a standing ovation. I never get a standing ovation when I walk into church on Sundays.

14 posted on 08/19/2008 5:35:55 PM PDT by library user
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Did anybody read the wacko comments about this article on the Newsweek/WaPo website?

The DUmmies and KosKids are there in full flower, obviously living somewhere in a parallel universe.

[You gotta see this stuff yourself, in order to understand how deranged most of these folks are! Just short of unbelievable!]


15 posted on 08/19/2008 5:37:12 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: weegee
BLT...you don't get mayonnaise with it.
16 posted on 08/19/2008 5:37:16 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ken21

I can’t recall the last time any journalist took a liberal moderator on any of the debates to task for asking “unfair” questions of a Republican.

The forum for this event was in a church, it was not going to be a “secular” event.

The forum did not violate 501c rules as it sought out and got responses from the candidates of both major parties. THAT (a counter response) is the standard that is also pushed by the “fairness doctrine” of commercial enterprises that receive no tax-free status.

Under fairness doctrine, you don’t have to seek out a “credible” person to voice “the other side”. You could even have Hillary and Obama debate the war as long as one agrees to argue the “for” side of the issue.


17 posted on 08/19/2008 5:37:27 PM PDT by weegee (The higher taxes that Obama demands of Americans are 'Above my Pay Grade'.)
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To: keepitreal
We don’t want to have to sift through 15,000 words to figure out where a candidate is coming from.

This line reminds me of why I don't bother to listen to a Clinton speak. I'm not going to listen through a hundred sentences trying to pick out the one that might be true.

18 posted on 08/19/2008 5:38:18 PM PDT by libertylover (You can't "Tylenol" your way out of arthritis either but it sure as hell helps to relieve the pain.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Margaret Meade wrote about the people of Samoa. The Washington Post and MSM write about Evangelicals with the about the same degree of understanding. In both instances their is an artificial cleavage between the world as it is and the world as the liberal mind sees it.


19 posted on 08/19/2008 5:38:32 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: library user

It may have been his first step towards salvation away from the grifter pastor who he CLAIMS brought him to Christ.


20 posted on 08/19/2008 5:38:43 PM PDT by weegee (The higher taxes that Obama demands of Americans are 'Above my Pay Grade'.)
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