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President Bush to Make Statement on Georgia-Russia Crisis at 5:15 p.m. EDT

Posted on 08/11/2008 12:32:16 PM PDT by Scythian

Headline only so far on fox news ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: actofwar; aggression; bush; geopolitics; georgia; georgianconflict; greatgame; putin; rumorsofwar; ruskies; russia; ussr; war
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Saint George is a patron saint of Georgia. According to Georgian author Enriko Gabisashvili, Saint George is most venerated in the nation of Georgia. An 18th century Georgian geographer and historian Vakhushti Bagrationi wrote that there are 365 Orthodox churches in Georgia named after Saint George according to the number of days in one year. [19] There are indeed many churches in Georgia named after the Saint and Alaverdi Monastery is one of the largest.

The Georgian Orthodox Church commemorates St. George’s day twice a year, on May 6 (O.C. April 23) and November 23. The feast day in November was instituted by St Nino of Cappadocia, who was credited with bringing Christianity to the land of Georgia in the fourth century. She was from Cappadocia, like Saint George, and was his relative. This feast day is unique to Georgia and it is the day of St George’s martyrdom.

White George on the coat of arms of Georgia.There are also many folk traditions in Georgia that vary from Georgian Orthodox Church rules, because they portray the Saint differently than the Church does and show the veneration of Saint George in common people of Georgia. Different regions of Georgia have different traditions and in most folk tales Saint George is venerated very highly, almost as much as Jesus Christ himself. In the province of Kakheti province, there is an icon of St George known as “White George”. This image of White George is also seen on the current Coat of Arms of Georgia. The region of Pshavi have icons of known as the Cuppola St. George and Lashari St. George. The Khevsureti region has “Kakhmati”, “Gudani”, and “Sanebi” icons dedicated to the Saint. The Pshavs and Khevsurs, during the Middle Ages used to refer to Saint George almost as much as praying to God and the Blessed Virgin Mary. Another notable icon is known as the “Lomisi Saint George” which can be found in the Mtiuleti and Khevi provinces of Georgia.[19]

Statue of Saint George in the Freedom Square in Tbilisi, Georgia.An example of folk tale about St. George: Once the Lord Jesus Christ, the prophet Elias and Saint George were going through Georgia. When they became tired and hungry they stopped to dine. They saw a Georgian shepherd man and decided to ask him to feed them. First, Elias went up to the shepherd and asked him for a sheep. After the shepherd asked his identity Elias said that, he was the one who sent him rain to get him a good profit from farming. The shepherd became angry at him and told him that he was the one who also sent thunderstorms, which destroyed the farms of poor widows.

After Elias, Jesus Christ himself went up to the shepherd and asked him for a sheep and told him that he was God, the creator of everything. The shepherd became angry at Jesus and told him that he is the one who takes the souls away of young men and grants long lives to many dishonest people.

After Elias and Christ’s unsuccessful attempts, St George went up to the shepherd, asked him for a sheep and told him that he is Saint George who the shepherd calls upon every time when he has troubles and St. George protect him from all the evil and saves him from troubles. After hearing St George, the shepherd fell down on his knees and adored him and gave him everything. This folk tale shows the veneration of St George in the Middle Ages provinces of Georgia and similar tales are told in the northern mountainous parts of the country.[19]

Some interesting tales come from Georgian sources, some of which are also attested to by Persian ones, that the Georgian Army during many battles were led by a knight on the white horse who came down from the Heaven. Catholicos Besarion of Georgia also testified this fact


281 posted on 08/11/2008 3:00:31 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Wasn’t sure the “previous” owners allowed them to retain anything in print. It really helps to be able to read it when it’s hailing bullets. Sometimes, it’s the only thing that keeps you from taking the hit by keeping your head down as you read if you get my meaning.


282 posted on 08/11/2008 3:00:46 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Scythian

Video of President Bush statement here:

http://www.necn.com/Boston/World/President-Bush-calls-for-Russian-withdrawal-from-Georgia/1218490637.html


283 posted on 08/11/2008 3:01:09 PM PDT by aphid
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Let’s take a look at this. Georgia had to build up forces to go into South Ossetia. As soon as Georgia went in, the Russians poured in on the flanks of the attacking Georgians. The Russians have now muscled their way over halfway through Georgia and that means a considerable commitment of military hardware. Then they cut the East-West highway and opened up a second front, with more military hardware commitments in west Georgia,

That not only means that the Russians had advance notice, they had to have had significant advance notice. That is very rough territory to get around in. So the Georgian government had to have been riddled with spies and they had to have been reporting back for some time. Given the cyber war Russia is waging, the Georgian computer links must all have been penetrated and for a fairly long period of time.

In short, the Russians have been planning to use Georgia to set an example and terrify the escaped Soviet Republics back into the Empire. AND THAT PLANNING HAS TO HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR A CONSIDERABLE LENGTH OF TIME!

We’ve been suckered by our desire to think that other people are just like us—or would like to be.

McVey


284 posted on 08/11/2008 3:01:09 PM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: All
As I said previously, the media are waiting for the obamessiah to say something before making any announcement - gotta' have something to "balance" Bush with, ya' know.
This is from the FOX news web site in the "Urgetn Queue":

They are leaving now for the 30 minute drive to Obi's house to hear his statment. That will probably be carried live on every network . . .including the GameShow Network!

285 posted on 08/11/2008 3:01:14 PM PDT by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, he-he, ho-ho!)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
The people of Georgia need a knight on a white horse to save their country.

Here's hoping St George intercedes for them.

286 posted on 08/11/2008 3:02:28 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Cementjungle
CNN has it.

Yep, CNN, MSNBC and ABCNews now have something up. I'm sure Fox will get around to it as soon as that Rockefeller thing in California is over. (/sarc)

287 posted on 08/11/2008 3:02:36 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: Oliver Optic
Believe or not... The World is tired of Militant Muslims.. China, Russia, USA, India, Britain, Pakistan, Asia, Africa, Canada... Georgia is just another Militant Muslim state... But the Russians have the Strength to kick the Islamic Militant rear ends.. And Israel...
288 posted on 08/11/2008 3:02:37 PM PDT by egb18delta
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To: sandyeggo
was quite edified to see how quickly the U.S. military got the Georgian soldiers back to their homeland. I hope President Bush acts as quickly.

I guess you're not yet "edified" enough to realize that the U.S. military was acting on President Bush's orders....?

The dismal fact is that short-term options are very limited. There's no way the Georgian military can effectively stop the Russians' far-larger and more capable forces. Our response must instead be longer-term -- measured in months, if not years -- to halt further incursions by Putin's military.

To have Obama at the helm during this important period is simply too horrible to contemplate. Go McCain!

289 posted on 08/11/2008 3:03:42 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: egb18delta
Georgia is just another Militant Muslim state...

Your kidding right. Georgia is the first nation in that region of the world to claim Christianity as their national religion.

290 posted on 08/11/2008 3:06:12 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Cold Heat; egb18delta
Us dumb-asses would like to inform you that the Pres is in the White House and the speech was on the lawn.

And we would further like to point out that, while in China, Pres. Bush took the opportunity to speak with Mr. Putin face-to-face ... which is a pretty fair use of time.

291 posted on 08/11/2008 3:06:16 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: mnehrling
What the heck are you talking about?

Apparently he's a Russian sympathizer. We have several.

292 posted on 08/11/2008 3:06:44 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: egb18delta
Georgia is just another Militant Muslim state

You are an ignorant ass. This is a Christain country.

I think Sesame Street is on. Leave the grown ups to the real world, okay.

293 posted on 08/11/2008 3:06:50 PM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: r9etb

I really hope that when trying to figure out how the Russians got the drop on Georgia and the West, we don’t find out that someone on our side pulled an April Glaspie.


294 posted on 08/11/2008 3:08:15 PM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Jeff Head

Georgian troops are already on the ground as of earlier today. We delivered them via air, and they may well have parachuted in.


295 posted on 08/11/2008 3:09:49 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: sandyeggo

“There is evidence that Russian forces may soon begin bombing the civilian airport in the capital city.”

Can you say Bush just sent a VERY clear message to Putin that our eyes in the sky (and the code-breakers) are hard at work?


296 posted on 08/11/2008 3:09:56 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Beware Of False Prophets/ME-ssiahs Selling Hopium....)
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To: egb18delta

Georgia is a Russian Orthodox, Christian state surrounded by a sea of Moslim dominated states.


297 posted on 08/11/2008 3:10:03 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: mcvey

Well the President has essentially said the Russians must stop the war or . . . It is normal to make a statement just short of an ultimatum before you make the ultimatum. We have now done that. The next step would be to make an actual threat. I am not much of a poker player, but it is soon going to be time to lay our cards on the table. If we do nothing, things are going to go downhill very fast.


298 posted on 08/11/2008 3:10:18 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (DEATH TO PUTIN!)
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To: misterrob

Bush and Putin spoke... Kinda like Former Presidents/World leaders during WW2...


299 posted on 08/11/2008 3:10:42 PM PDT by egb18delta
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