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Why oil prices will tank
CNNmoney ^ | June 6, 2008: 8:11 AM EDT | By Shawn Tully, editor at large

Posted on 06/06/2008 7:13:25 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- High-flying tech stocks crashed. The roaring housing market crumbled. And oil, rest assured, will follow the same path down.

Not everyone agrees. In an echo of our most recent market frenzies, some experts pronounce that the "world has changed," and that the demand spikes, supply disruptions, and government bungling we face now will saddle us with a future of $4, $5 or even $10 a gallon gasoline.

But if you stick to basic economics, it's clear that the only question is when - not if - prices will succumb.

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KEYWORDS: energy; energyprices; oil; speculation
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To: mysterio

“It’s not a bubble. Wishing won’t make it a bubble. The only way to make the price of oil go down is to replace it.”

There’s another way:
- Invade Saudi Arabia
- Toss out the sheiks (and Wahhabism along with them)
- Lower the cost of Ameri-Saudi oil at the wellhead to something more inline with what the _real_ cost of producing it there (I would guesstimate about $50 per barrel)
- Sell as much needed to fill the gap in American demand to guaranteed sources of supply to America first
- Sell the rest on the world market, but bypass commodities markets, with first choice to the Chinese (this would assauge their concerns about our control of the oilfields).
- Let the commodies speculators deal with the new reality of pricing.

The lifeblood of our economy is something which is indeed worth fighting about.
War for oil?
Of course!

- John


61 posted on 06/06/2008 9:07:56 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: ClearCase_guy
I would like to see the government invest in new technologies for energy production (and not just earthy-crunchy solar and wind fluff).

I'd like to see that as well. I'm not fond of the French, but nuclear energy is one thing they have done right. They have standardized their reactor designs and have promoted nuclear energy, and today France gets over half of it's energy from nuclear. I would be willing to drive an electric vehicle if it has the range I require and the ability to recharge in a reasonable period of time.

As to exploration of Mars, the cost would be a drop in the bucket compared to our GDP as well as our national budget. The spin-offs would drive future innovation, so I believe it is a no-brainer.

62 posted on 06/06/2008 9:10:47 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Fishrrman

Your plan would most likely create a global nuclear war. No thanks.


63 posted on 06/06/2008 9:10:57 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

“Your plan would most likely create a global nuclear war. No thanks.”

Someday, the West is going to have to deal with the Saudis and Wahabbism face-to-face anyway.

I’d prefer sooner than later.

War with whom? Be specific. The only threat is the Chinese, and they can be dealt with, one way or another. Are they going to wage war on their principal market?

- John


64 posted on 06/06/2008 9:13:18 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: RockinRight
uclear plants would be one thing. Another would be realistic alternative energy - not ethanol and probably not hydrogen either.

The quickest way to independence is twofold: 1) Nuclear power plants and 2) use the coal that was being burned for electricity to make liquid fuels. This is an old and proven technology that will work.

Of course, the greenies will have none of it.
65 posted on 06/06/2008 9:17:41 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: Fishrrman
We should deal with Saudi Arabia by replacing oil and not buying another drop from them.

If we invade Saudi Arabia, we will incite the nations of the middle east to unify and come at us and Israel no holds barred. Israel will respond with nuclear force, certainly. Russia and China will not want us to have control of Saudi Oil, so they will fight the war either directly or indirectly by providing middle eastern nations with nuclear devices. The entire situation would spiral out of control.

Or we could just make our own energy and cut off our money flow to that area of the world. I pick that solution.
66 posted on 06/06/2008 9:20:13 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mikeus_maximus
Personally, I'm giving up my imminent goal of owning a BMW/Audi/Mercedes and getting something that gets 30+ mpg.

Motorcycles are looking better all the time. If I wasn't afraid I'd end up paralyzed or dead, I'd already have one.
67 posted on 06/06/2008 9:24:49 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Even if the world price of crude oil goes down drastically, gasoline prices will stay high and go higher in the US as a result of new carbon taxes, windfall profits taxes on oil companies and the continued refusal to drill in the US or build new refineries.


68 posted on 06/06/2008 9:25:51 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: 6ppc
I would be willing to drive an electric vehicle if it has the range I require and the ability to recharge in a reasonable period of time.

It wouldn't even have to be your primary car. People like me who commute 35 miles to work could by a cheap, throw away compact electric car and use it solely for commuting. That way I could keep a sports car in the garage for the weekends :)
69 posted on 06/06/2008 9:30:40 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
High prices always cure high prices. (in a free economy)

It will happen with oil, it will happen with ag commodities also.

70 posted on 06/06/2008 9:34:01 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

There’s so much cheap money in our economy that people can just throw it willy-nilly at whatever the current fad is. After the oil bubble pops it’ll be something else unless we adopt a responsible monetary policy.


71 posted on 06/06/2008 10:23:26 AM PDT by gura (R-MO)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

No, no. Oil rose because of “fears” that Israel may strike Irans nuclear facilities. That’s all it takes these days, “fears”, not actual events, just “fears”.


72 posted on 06/06/2008 11:24:54 AM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: stockpirate

True.
Another falacy was that the Jews were ‘liberated’ from the concentration camps and set free, when they were actually moved to other camps to prepare for integration. The Nazis that were taught to despise the Jews weren’t going to give that one up so easily.


73 posted on 06/06/2008 12:08:32 PM PDT by griswold3 (Al qaeda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Oh, boy!!! $100 per barrel oil and $3.10 gas prices. What a deal!!!


74 posted on 06/06/2008 12:10:07 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (No matter which one is elected, America may very well never recover from the damage to be done.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Not everyone agrees. In an echo of our most recent market frenzies, some experts pronounce that the "world has changed," and that the demand spikes, supply disruptions, and government bungling we face now will saddle us with a future of $4, $5 or even $10 a gallon gasoline.

Reminiscent of the Tech Bubble when all the MSM were telling us that the business cycle has been eliminated and the old paradigms have been shattered. Dot coms were popping up all over the place with business plans that must have been written by third graders. Companies like Pets.com were selling dog food below their cost and paying the shipping and they claimed they were making money...Sooner or later reality sets in.

75 posted on 06/06/2008 12:12:32 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: 6ppc

Not if O Bambi’s friends like Mr. Imadinnerjar and Cousin Hugo have anything to do about it. $200/bl is their goal. Last month both leased half the tankers and vessels to remain idle or just sit in the sea full of oil, which tied up transport logistics.
Evil genius, I say. But at $85,000/day quite expensive.

There will be NO bubble. $150bl by July.

Now, excuse me while I go raise my rates to reflect the upcoming hike.


76 posted on 06/06/2008 12:12:32 PM PDT by griswold3 (Al qaeda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

What goes up must come down?


77 posted on 06/06/2008 12:34:10 PM PDT by RoadTest ( Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.)
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To: BGHater

It seems to me that many of the refineries here in NJ have closed, although that may just be my impression. I couldn’t confirm by Googling. Refineries used to help give the air here its particular aroma and body. When I was growing up, we had air you could really sink your teeth into, not this thin clear stuff the kids breath today.


78 posted on 06/06/2008 12:35:00 PM PDT by free_for_now (No Dick Dale in the R&R HOF? - for shame!)
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To: 6ppc

Did you read post 5 the one I was posting to? It is not about market prices but drilling and creation of new jobs, it is always helpful for one to read the post one is replying to.


79 posted on 06/06/2008 1:07:35 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: gura

It’s kind of interesting to me that with the tech or .com crash we have been on a kind of down hill hierarchical cycle Tech, housing and now oil. 4 or 5 years then boom and move to the next link on the chain.

Events are catering to the pessimist in me, I think we are on the last link.


80 posted on 06/06/2008 1:17:34 PM PDT by underbyte
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