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Phone number in Texas abuse report linked to Colo. woman
Town Hall ^ | 04 23 08 | GEORGE MERRITT

Posted on 04/23/2008 1:01:12 PM PDT by Howdy there

A court document says one phone number used to report alleged abuse at a polygamist retreat in Texas had been used previously by a 33-year-old Colorado woman.

It's not yet clear whether authorities suspect Rozita Swinton of Colorado Springs made any of the calls that triggered this month's raid of the compound.

An arrest warrant affidavit made public Wednesday says a phone number she had used previously was used for a call to a Texas crisis center before authorities conducted the raid and removed more than 400 children. Swinton's whereabouts are unknown.

Authorities have said a 16-year-old girl called a crisis center claiming she was abused at the compound. Authorities have not found that girl but say they have found evidence other children were abused.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; flds; jeffs; polygamy; swinton
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To: Politicalmom
I give you this, a warrant is issued on best knowledge to be true, from a source that has direct knowledge of a crime.

If your girl friend has a phobia against polygamy and her supposed experiences, you adopt this view, and search the Internet and find a group that fits your phobia, you file a complaint based on hearsay and your girl friends supposed experiences, is that not false swearing.

81 posted on 04/23/2008 2:59:13 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: colorcountry

“Why shouldn’t she get the same due process as the fLDS members?

It’s curious. I certainly hope race has nothing to do with thim.”


I certainly DO hope that it is race, because the flds are accused of raping children.


82 posted on 04/23/2008 3:00:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (FLDS , Don't mess with Texas.)
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To: Little Bill

But the search warrant affidavit had statements from people who took the call, and so on. They didn’t do any false swearing. The statements on the warrant were true.


83 posted on 04/23/2008 3:02:09 PM PDT by Politicalmom (The children were taken because they were either being raised to be raped, or raised to be a rapist.)
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To: org.whodat
From above link:

"A source close to the situation said the woman first contacted anti-ploygamy activist Flora Jessop after the raid began, claiming to need help. That call was being investigated by Arizona child welfare authorities."

Now I don't know how you make it any plainer to the fringe posters here. But maybe they think the Deseret News reporter is making it up.

84 posted on 04/23/2008 3:03:38 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: MizSterious
And there was that little issue about the fact that they could have nabbed Koresh on any number of times he was away from the compound, without endangering the whole group.

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Exactly. The bumbling incompetence displayed by the government in Waco is one reason so many are now distrustful.

85 posted on 04/23/2008 3:04:00 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: killermedic

I suggest no such thing. In San Angelo, the warrants were valid, and the raid was legal. As a result, it had a very different ending. I think we should holler to the rooftops and beyond when they’re not doing things lawfully—but when they’ve done it all according to the laws (whether we LIKE the laws or not), there’s not a leg to stand on.


86 posted on 04/23/2008 3:05:03 PM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: Howdy there
I'm waiting for the link, since I have already provide you and your post wrong where is itHere is mine again:http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695271689,00.html
87 posted on 04/23/2008 3:09:39 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Politicalmom

I swear the next person that posts this BS should be given the ZOT.


88 posted on 04/23/2008 3:11:41 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: TheDon

I’m hip...just not a hippie...


89 posted on 04/23/2008 3:13:44 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: colorcountry
Instead of addressing the issue of whether or not charges have been filed against Ms. Swinton

I'm sorry, I missed your post #49 where you actually stated just what was wrong with the article. I must have been busy answering you accusatory post #46. : )

Doing a quick search I find nothing. So I think it safe to say that you are correct that she has not been charged in the Texas case at this time.

Do you care to issue a retraction?

I am neither the author or the publisher of the article in question. You have the link. Ask them to print a retraction.

My guess is that it was just sloppy reporting being as they linked other news article that contradicted that fact as you pointed out.

90 posted on 04/23/2008 3:14:44 PM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: org.whodat

Is it possible to ZOT through a concrete head?


91 posted on 04/23/2008 3:20:54 PM PDT by NYpeanut (gulping for air, I started crying and yelling at him, "Why did you lie to me?")
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To: Between the Lines

Thank you for clarifying.

I have nothing against any of you guys. I’ve never called you or any other poster Mormon, or pedophile, or rapist, and I never would. I have asked several posters with whom I am familiar, to clarify their Mormon affiliation, in the sake of honesty and openness. As everyone seems to be well aware, I am an ex-mormon and so I bring my own perception with me. Those who are active LDS have a perspective as well as those who have been harrassed by LEOs. When we can see motivations for actions and opinions it helps us clarify our own positions. I have no problem at all with y’all knowing that I am a former-mormon.

I too have concerns about the overreaching by CPS. Perhaps when more facts come out about the case, we freepers will be able to find more comfortable middle-ground.


92 posted on 04/23/2008 3:21:14 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Politicalmom; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; ..
Mom, AP is the party that got the affidavit unsealed and this is on the AP website: "The false-reporting charge against Swinton stems from a February 911 call from a woman calling herself "Jennifer." The document said she claimed her father had locked her in her basement for days.....NOTE: JENNIFER not SARAH!

Officers linked the calls to Swinton in March.

In mid-April, Texas Rangers called Colorado Springs police regarding their investigation into the Eldorado ranch.

Texas Ranger Brooks Long asked about two telephone numbers, both with Colorado Springs area codes. One of the phone numbers, the document says, "was possibly related to the reporting party for the YFZ Ranch incident,".....NOTE: (and was one of the numbers police had connected to Swinton.) TWO phone numbers, one POSSIBLY connected to the FLDS incident!

My aching back...if any of these news agencies reporting on this would spend 2 minutes doing some checking first....."SPIT!"

AP Website

You prolly wanna hit the "ping" button on this.

93 posted on 04/23/2008 3:25:30 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Are there any WOMEN FReepers who agree that the 1st. Amendment OKs sexual slavery?))
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To: Politicalmom

Phone number, telephone call to crisis hot line number, time, date all will be available in the records of the phone number being alledged to have been used to call the Texas Hot Line number.... No use to argue pro or con at this stage.

The Texas Rangers went up there and I’m sure have some info. We just don’t all this yet.


94 posted on 04/23/2008 3:27:57 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Politicalmom
But is the person making the complaint a true witness, what they heard on the call is hearsay, did the authorities take the one step back?

A true story, a friend of mine has five kids, at the time 2-5. He is at the McDonald's in Duxbury, Mass giving the kids a Grease Fix. He goes through the drive through gets the Grease and the kids attack from the back seat, except for the two year old,, who was locked up in her car seat.

He swept his arm back, to push the kids back, the lady behind him in line dimed him to DYS. It cost him a few bucks to beat a child abuse charge, there was no Complainant on The Form when DYS, we asked why, confidential, it was tossed.

95 posted on 04/23/2008 3:31:34 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: greyfoxx39

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=85477

Check that article out. They claim that the calls were made to “911”.

I swear, some of these “reporters”.....


96 posted on 04/23/2008 3:33:46 PM PDT by Politicalmom (The children were taken because they were either being raised to be raped, or raised to be a rapist.)
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To: Politicalmom
Check that article out. They claim that the calls were made to “911.

I swear, some of these “reporters”.....

From the "Dan Rather School of Journalism...if you don't know, FAKE IT!"

97 posted on 04/23/2008 3:41:13 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Are there any WOMEN FReepers who agree that the 1st. Amendment OKs sexual slavery?))
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To: Little Bill

Hearsay is allowable for a search warrant, apparently. I looked up the statutes, and that’s what it seemed to say.

Not every CPS is the same, either. I had to deal with one in California. The lady they sent was wonderful, she said it was obvious my children were happy and safe, and I never heard from her again.


98 posted on 04/23/2008 3:45:16 PM PDT by Politicalmom (The children were taken because they were either being raised to be raped, or raised to be a rapist.)
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To: greyfoxx39

That Ap link doesn’t go to the AP site for me.

Do they have the actual warrant posted?


99 posted on 04/23/2008 3:46:08 PM PDT by Politicalmom (The children were taken because they were either being raised to be raped, or raised to be a rapist.)
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To: colorcountry

Sorry, trying to be a little funny, play on words. You are the color Country, after all :-)


100 posted on 04/23/2008 3:54:02 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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