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Top scientists warn against rush to biofuel
The Guardian ^ | 3-25-08 | James Randerson and Nicholas Watt

Posted on 03/25/2008 12:37:21 AM PDT by kingattax

Gordon Brown is preparing for a battle with the European Union over biofuels after one of the government's leading scientists warned they could exacerbate climate change rather than combat it.

In an outspoken attack on a policy which comes into force next week, Professor Bob Watson, the chief scientific adviser at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, said it would be wrong to introduce compulsory quotas for the use of biofuels in petrol and diesel before their effects had been properly assessed.

"If one started to use biofuels ... and in reality that policy led to an increase in greenhouse gases rather than a decrease, that would obviously be insane," Watson said. "It would certainly be a perverse outcome."

Under the Renewable Transport Fuels Obligation, all petrol and diesel must contain 2.5% of biofuels from April 1. This is designed to ensure that Britain complies with a 2003 EU directive that 5.75% of petrol and diesel come from renewable sources by 2010.

But scientists have increasingly questioned the sustainability of biofuels, warning that by increasing deforestation the energy source may be contributing to global warming.

Watson's warning was echoed last night by Professor Sir David King, who recently retired as the government's chief scientific adviser. He said biofuel quotas should be put on hold until the results were known of a review which has been commissioned by ministers.

"What is absolutely desperately needed within government are people of integrity who will state what the science advice is under whatever political pressure or circumstances," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


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To: kingattax
it would be wrong to introduce compulsory quotas for the use of biofuels in petrol and diesel

Didn't stop the US from requiring it.

21 posted on 03/25/2008 4:54:52 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: patch789

The problem with biofuel is that it doesn’t replace oil, it merely supplements it. You will still have to buy some oil from the Middle East. Even if you expanded your own oil production, you would probably still have to buy some, because not all crude oil is the same.

The US doesn’t HAVE to feed everybody. You get paid for your farm produce, same as anything else you make.


22 posted on 03/25/2008 5:03:03 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: patch789

The problem with biofuel is that it doesn’t replace oil, it merely supplements it. You will still have to buy some oil from the Middle East. Even if you expanded your own oil production, you would probably still have to buy some, because not all crude oil is the same.

The US doesn’t HAVE to feed everybody. You get paid for your farm produce, same as anything else you make.


23 posted on 03/25/2008 5:03:12 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: timer
My Wife follows the same philosophy.

She says the good coming out of this MMGW hysteria is teaching folks how to conserve.(Lost Art) Our ancestors got us here by conserving and we need to do the same.

Remember: Conserve is part of Conservatism.

24 posted on 03/25/2008 5:07:20 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: ScratInTheHat

Its a possibility. The fact is that wheat is still ridiculously cheap. Ive heard of one farmer who burns the stuff in his boiler on the grounds thats its much cheaper than coal.


25 posted on 03/25/2008 5:07:32 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: singfreedom
…modified to burn used cooking oil from restaurants. Perhaps that would be an alternative.

Nope not an alternative after the food police get done banning trans-fats from all restaurants.
26 posted on 03/25/2008 5:33:10 AM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: Brilliant

If a farmer can get twice as much money making biofuels as growing food crops, then according to market forces this will increase the amount of biofuel being produced. Folk go hungry, this will push food prices up, so farmers produce less biofuel and more food, and eventually an equilibrium is reached.
The problem with this is that it takes time to produce food and biofuel, and its also impossible to be exactly sure how much you are going to be able to produce (unless you can 100% accurately predict the weather for a year). Therefore in the process of these “market adjustments” there might be a “shortfall in supply” for a couple of years, which would have serious consequences, (like several million people starving to death).
Food production is too important to mess with.


27 posted on 03/25/2008 6:54:00 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: timer

WHY do you FEEL the NEED to use CAPITALS all the TIME????


28 posted on 03/25/2008 6:55:25 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: timer
A rough calc : with a two foot thick layer of urethane foam insulation all around a 1500 sf house(R 168), a couch potato cranking out 1250 BTUH would keep the interior at 72 deg F with outside temp at 32 deg F.

That amount of thermal insulation is pointless overkill if you don't control air infiltration. Assuming you can seal a house as airtight as a Thermos bottle, then health issues arise from the lack of fresh air and the increased concentration of trapped toxins such as biological expirations, bacteria, virues, materials outgassing, etc. The complexity and cost of a sealed air-filtered bioenvironment is beyond the reach of most people.

29 posted on 03/25/2008 10:25:29 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (When hopelessness replaces hope, it opens the door to evil.)
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To: TexasCajun
No Food For Fuel !

it might come down to this choice : would you like to drive or eat ?

30 posted on 03/25/2008 10:29:36 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: kingattax
at some point the insanity of global warming has to be stopped.

Biofuels could work, but using agricultural land to do it is stupid. We have deserts and oceans to grow bacteria, seaweed, or other fast-growing non-consumables that could be made into biofuel rather than corn.

Of course, the real reason for using corn is because of agricultural lobbying of congress. The real innovation here is that the agricultural industry found a way to latch on to the global warming hysteria. That is the only type of innovation that the government promotes today.

31 posted on 03/25/2008 10:36:46 AM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: dan1123
That is the only type of innovation that the government promotes today.

good post, thanks. your comment isn't surprising since the "government" is infested with liberal loons and doesn't look like or operate anything close to what the framers of the constitution intended

32 posted on 03/25/2008 10:54:22 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: TexasRepublic

Did you know that the UBC only requires openable windows in assisted living homes? That means your mother/grandmother living in one, with dementia, probably in a wheelchair or using a walker, has to get up every hour or so and open/close their window so that they can get breathable outside air. In a nursing home or hospital you get 10 air changes/hr with mechanical ventilation, in assisted living you get NONE.

As to caulked-tight/no infiltration living units, a heat exchanger is as simple as a small fan and double pipe duct : outgoing exhaust air heats incoming fresh air. Yes, you lose about half the heat but it isn’t that big a deal energy-wise. The code requires 2 air changes/hr, look at the numbers, not that much vs OXYGEN to stay alive.


33 posted on 03/25/2008 10:04:06 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: Vanders9

The Brit is right. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.


34 posted on 03/26/2008 1:10:14 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Vanders9

We architects block print in CAPITAL letters as fast as most people write in longhand. Engineers often scribble in tiny longhand, which is why they are often mis-understood, or ignored. Communication is one of the world’s biggest problems, if you want to SAY something, say it BIG..in CAPITAL LETTERS, billboard high...


35 posted on 03/26/2008 1:25:33 AM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: wolfcreek

Heard today that in germany they have roll-down shutters over exterior windows. My son googled it for me but it was an e-bay thing : $1700 for one. Laughable. In 10,000 years you would save that much on lost heat thru that window.

No, these would have to be cheap, mass produced; possibly 90% financed by the state/fed as a matching funds deal(mechanics lien). Also in conjunction to the operable, insulated, automatic-on-photocell window shutters you could do “quilt” panels, like thick siding 4” to 12” thick, on the existing house walls; plus another layer laid over the roof.

Yes, it would COST a pretty penny but it would be local labor(music to politicians ears)both in manufacturing more insulation and installing it as well. The biggest plus would be drastically reducing electrical energy generation/useage, thus reducing Global Warming(and keeping more money in your pocket). It takes about 3 KW back at the coal fired plant/transmission lines to deliver 1 KW to your electrical panel, did you know that?

And too, insulation is a permanent PLUS to the house. Let’s say it takes 2 years to pay for itself, after that it’s the gift that keeps on giving, year after year.


36 posted on 03/26/2008 1:42:20 AM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: timer

I dont like wasting things either. I have improved my loft insulation, changed half the lights to lo-energy, and double-glazed all the windows. Frankly though, I find anything else is just too expensive to do.


37 posted on 03/26/2008 3:17:30 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: singfreedom

Where I come, that is known as “unintended consequences”.


38 posted on 03/26/2008 3:30:12 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: timer

“Heard today that in germany they have roll-down shutters over exterior windows.”

We have those here in Texas also. (remote control and automatic)

Here in South Central Texas, there’s a fine line on how much or how little insulation we use. Due to extreme temp variations and the nearly ever present humidity, houses need to breath in order to adjust to the conditions and prevent mold growth.

Unfortunantly, Tyvek and Stucco covered foam present problems.


39 posted on 03/26/2008 4:00:41 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: timer
The biggest plus would be drastically reducing electrical energy generation/useage, thus reducing Global Warming

Are you saying global warming is caused by the heat radiated from houses or the BS about CO2

If this solar cycle prediction holds all the GW BS will go down the tubes. And I mean the tubes that are attached to the bottom of the porcelain throne of BS.

40 posted on 03/26/2008 4:21:10 AM PDT by ScratInTheHat (Don't like my immigration stance? I'm dyslexic. PC keeps sounding like BS to me!)
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