Posted on 03/03/2008 8:50:58 AM PST by Scythian
LOL!!!!
Concur. However, with the 7700 Squawk comes mounds of paperwork. The radome on our Prowler imploded and we squawked emergency to land back at Bangor NAS. We had lots of paper to fill out...
Idiot pilot
If you are not in a stable aproach at 500 AGL, go around!
If you are not lined up coming over the fence, go around!
If you are not ready to flare a max of 500 feet past the numbers, go around!
Nobody ever made the evening news with a go around. Lots of dead pilots did when they dodn’t go around.
The left wing scrape almost got him.
Ditto the furrows
I was telling one of my older brothers about this. Gerry used to be a pilot, and he recounted having been through one when he was flying for a commercial airline. Thankfully, they were not near the ground at the time, but he said that he was flying along, and suddenly the plane just dropped about 600 feet. They were trying everything to get the plane back up, with no success, then suddenly he said it was like you were in an elevator going right up again. He's thankful that never happened to him on takeoff or landing.
ILS landings are for wussies!
As to friction on asphalt vs grass, not sure, but I think the prop is the issue.
>>>> You guys don’t understand, it’s not up to the pilot, the tower makes the call, this pilot does deserve a medal. I had a landing like this once (we landed) and people on the plane were crying, it’s very scary but in the end the tower makes the call, and they often make very bad calls.
NO TOWER ever makes “the call.” It is 100% up to the PIC 100% of the time.
I am a retired air traffic controller. Controllers do not make the decision as to whether or not an aircraft can fly an approach or land the aircraft. That is for the pilot to decide, the controller doesn’t fly the aircraft. The controller’s responsibility is to make sure the pilot knows the weather, wind, runway condition, etc. Then issue the clearance.
Yep.
This is the EXACT reason I oppose the Chicago O’Hare reconfiguration to all East-West runways. The current layout allows landing into the wind instead of crosswind.
As King Richie II completes this madness, we will see a lot of approaches like this in Chicago . . .
Lordy, what a scary sight! I reckon that pilot asked for a landing somewhere else with lighter crosswinds.
Ok, I will adjust my thinking - a prop stike on concrete will bust it off, on dirt, it might dig in, and cause a ground loop.
Either way, you are bying a new engine/prop/belly, but with the ground loop, you might not walk away.
>>>>So, why not do the belly landing on the grass NEXT to the runway?
On grass, you can “catch” something and flip. Bad Form. On concrete, you slide, and slide, and slide.
It’s not exactly the same thing, but I’m reminded of that American MD-82 that crashed in Little Rock, AR a while back (AAL1420, I think). Bad judgement by the pilot attempting to land in a thunderstorm with the winds going 30 knots gusting to 45 and poor visibility, and he couldn’t keep it on the runway when he finally wrestled it on the ground.
I don’t know what the maximum allowable crosswind is on an A320, but he had to be close to it even before the gust. You could tell by the grass and the sound on the video that the wind was really howling.
It’s easy for us here to sit back and say “oh, he shouldn’t have landed, he should’ve diverted”, but think about the situation he’s in. If the tower tells him the wind, and they’re manageable for the aircraft (supposedly), is he going to risk his career diverting the aircraft from Hamburg to an alternate, disrupt 130+ passengers’ itineraries and Lufthansa’s schedules, and in general stick his neck out? Maybe he should’ve, but that’s an awful lot of pressure to buck, especially when everybody else has been getting into Hamburg on that runway just fine before him.
}:-)4
“Bad form”? LOL. we where just discussing that - CG thinks the odds of a ground loop on grass are higher.
I agree, after thinking about it.
The runway is also flatter and smoother than the grass which can be an unknown.
Pretty - it must have killed you to sell it.
yep
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