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The Master answered:
It is that which gives a beast of burden its reason for existence.It is that which men in formertimes had to bear upon their backs.
It is that which has caused nations to build byways from City to City upon which carts and coaches pass, and alongside which inns have come to be built to stave off Hunger, Thirst and Weariness.
"And that is fate?" said the priest.
"Fate... Sorry. I thought you said Freight", responded the Master.
"That's all right" said the priest, "I wanted to know about Freight too."
anything that can be good can be not so good when taken to excess
‘trade’, even free trade, cannot be supported as if a mantra or it becomes its own purpose at the expense of other values
civilzations are not built and not preserved on economic values to the exclusion of all other values and norms
yes, we should have trade, we should not be isolationists
but, those that perform that trade, and those alone, cannot, alone, set our social and civil agenda, on nothing more than trade principles, or they will do so at the peril of the values and principles that bind us together as a people
otherwise, they may save something of the economic benefit of trade for our great-great grandchildren, but the society will not be the great-great grandchild of our present society and many of our values will not be held in high esteem
in the long run culture and demographics, long and slow, out run economics, because many economic benefits move from place to place over time
but, when economic values alone are allowed to devalue the culture, then even the culture, with or without demographic sustenance, simply dies, no matter how later generations view their economic circumstances
the world cultures and their influences that have survived longest have done so through, and in spite of, great economic gains and losses to their central society
trade yes, free trade no - fair trade
the single trader acting alone does not see the full value, or detriment of either the price he seeks or the price he pays
that full value is played out over time by the entire society and culture
so yes, trade should be as open as possible but yes it should be regulated by the society, not simply for regulations sake but to seek terms the society deems fair to it as well
already our cherished value expressed as free-enterprise and built on the concepts of regulated but private enterprise have begun to escape the moorings of our western civilzation, devolving down into the mere acceptance of capitalism (and the ‘trade’ of any and all ‘capitalists’) as the norm and wherein the owner of that capital, politically free or not, is of no consequence
but it is
china now operates in a system best described as state capitalism, and there is nothing about the economic progress of their enterprise that even hints at any political evolution to freedom being derived from it - other than the economic privileges the dictators permit
much of the middle east functions in like manner of the old european mercantilists, where it is only the accountants that can sort out which capital is royal, private or private by royal privelege - for instance there is only such an accounting distinction between the royal family of dubai, the govt of dubai and the major ‘capitalist’ enterprises of dubai
the morphing of western free enterprise into a capitalism devoid of those western political foundations
offers us nothing more than ‘free trade’ that devalues our own social, moral and political model by virtue of how it lifts up, supports and renders equal the models that not only seek to ignore ours but to defeat it
we cannot advance without trade, but if trade is our only national value then we will not survive by it either
1,700-Year-Old ‘Roman Glass’ Discovered In East China
Xinhua/China.org | 11-20-2005
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Ancient European Remains Discovered In Qinghai (China)
Xinhuanet/China View | 7-6-2004
Posted on 07/06/2004 11:02:03 AM PDT by blam
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Ancient Roman road map unveiled
BBC | 26 Nov 2007 | Bethany Bell
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1930916/posts
Ancient Sea Link Discovered By ASI (India)
The Statesman | 2-12-2006
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Archaeologists Uncover Ancient Maritime Spice Route Between India, Egypt
Popular Science | 2-8-2004
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Archaeologists Uncover Ancient Maritime Spice Route Between India, Egypt
Popular Science | 2-8-2004
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Archeologists discover ancient graffiti on China’s Great Wall
Yahoo News | July 11, 2004 | AFP
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Bernheze Roman Bronze Hoard from the Netherlands
Minerva: the International Review of Ancient Art and Archaeology
Last Updated: Friday, 9 July, 2004 at 3:10:29pm | Ruurd B. Halbertsma
Posted on 03/24/2005 2:56:02 AM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1369464/posts
Buddha statue from 6th c found in Viking hoard in Helgo, Sweden
Biblical Archaeology Review | March/April 2005 | “Worldwide” editor
Posted on 04/27/2005 2:26:07 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1391864/posts
China Unearths Ancient Caucasian Tombs
The Australian/AFP | 10-25-2004
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Eusebius’ Onomasticon: Geographical Knowledge in Byzantine Palestine
Palestine Exploration Fund | 17 March, 2004, Last modified 30 April, 2004
Joan E. Taylor and Rupert L. Chapman
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Herodotus’ History
The History: Thalia, the Internet Classics Archive
440 B.C. | Herodotus, tr by George Rawlinson
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The Voyage around the Erythraean Sea
Silk Road | 2004 | William H. Schoff
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How did Trajan succeed in subduing Parthia where Mark Antony failed?
Ancient History Bulletin (via GeoCities Italy) | 1990 | Graham Wylie
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Lycian Influence To The Indian Cave Temples
The Guide to the Architecture of the Indian Subcontinent | spring of 2000 | Takeo Kamiya
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Report: Ancient Roman graveyard found in suburban Copenhagen
IHT | October 10, 2007 | Associated Press / Roskilde Dagblad
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Roman Descendants Found In China?
The Telegraph (UK) | 2-2-2007 | Richard Spencer
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Roman Legion Founded Chinese City
Ansa | 7-25-2005
Posted on 07/31/2005 12:31:23 PM PDT by blam
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Roman-Style Column Bolsters Han Dynasty Tomb
Peoples Daily | 4-9-2007
Posted on 04/08/2007 9:41:47 PM EDT by blam
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Romans in China?
Archaeology | Volume 52 Number 3, May/June 1999 | Erling Hoh
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The Romans in Ireland
Archaeology Today | 2000? | L.A. Curchin
Posted on 07/18/2004 11:54:58 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
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Search For India’s Ancient City (Muziris - Roman)
BBC | 6-12-2006
Posted on 06/11/2006 9:55:04 PM EDT by blam
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So How Far Did The Phoenicians Really Go In The Region?
Daily Star | 2-23-2004 | Peter Speetjens
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Tamil Brahmi script in Egypt
Hindu.com | 21 Nov 2007 | Hindu.com
Posted on 12/03/2007 10:47:12 AM EST by BGHater
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1933979/posts
Tamil Brahmi Script In Egypt
The Hindu
Posted on 12/03/2007 5:33:18 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1934148/posts
Tamil Trade
INTAMM | 1997 | Xavier S. Thani Nayagam
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The Voyage around the Erythraean Sea
Silk Road | 2004 | William H. Schoff
Posted on 09/12/2004 10:55:44 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1214273/posts
both of these topics have been pulled:
The Periplus of Hanno, King of the Carthaginians,
ed. Megalommatis,
a Book Review
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1156906/posts
The Periplus of the Red Sea,
edition Megalommatis,
a Book Review
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1154520/posts
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.....Trade was also a boon for human interaction.....
And still is.
My background is in trade. We still use most of the instruments and law that although refined, have been in existance for a very very long time.
In marine insurance there is the law of common responsibility that dates frome time immemorial. If a vessel get is trouble and it is necessary to jettison cargo to save the ship, all with cargo on the vessel ,or there insurers,share the loss.
The banking world although much refined still uses letters of credit to allow distant banks to settle accounts of their local merchants.
I read a book on the history of gold ( actually listen to it on CD) and learned that the domestication of the camel was a major technical development. The camel initially came into use hauling salt to the African Gold Coast and returning with gold. The salt and gold traded at some times ounce for ounce.
Prior to the camel, the transport was by bullock cart. The camel was 2 or 3 times faster extending the days journey to 20 or 30 miles instead of 10. The time invested in the trip was substantially reduced. The camels also took less water and feed and in addition to speed offered lower maintenance and operational cost.
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