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Californians set to vote on massive expansion of Indian casinos [four measures hotly debated]
Christian Science Monitor ^ | January 18, 2008 | Daniel B. Wood

Posted on 01/17/2008 9:59:13 AM PST by calcowgirl

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In television ads that began airing the first week of January, Governor Schwarzenegger urges voters to endorse Propositions 94, 95, 96, and 97, which would expand gambling operations. ...

The agreements allow four tribes [Agua Caliente, Pechanga, Morongo, Sycuan] ... to add 17,000 slot machines to the existing 8,000. In exchange, the tribes will give the state between 15 and 25 percent of the revenue from the added machines.

Last May, Schwarzenegger estimated that the compacts would generate $293 million just this fiscal year, but state finance spokesman H. D. Palmer says this figure has since been revised downward to $154 million. The ads claim the state will receive $9 billion over 20 years.

"[The] likelihood is that all of this additional income is dust in the wind … if you look at the magnitude of the state budget," says Daniel Mitchell, a professor of management and public policy at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Others, such as California's nonpartisan legislative analyst, Liz Hill, give much lower revenue estimates. She says the state will get less than $200 million for the next few years, and less than $500 million a year in the distant future.

Revenues aside, opponents say the casinos will have negative impacts, including increased crime and traffic congestion in nearby areas, increased gambling addiction, and lack of guarantees over who will oversee the process.

Two of their biggest complaints revolve around the size of the expansion – more slot machines than in the top 12 Las Vegas casinos put together – and the concentration of one-third of the state's gambling profits into just four wealthy tribes.

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The issue has been complicated by the fact that the US Interior Department has already approved the four compacts under allegedly mysterious circumstances. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: calelection; calinitiatives; tribalgaming
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To: calcowgirl; Defiant

The Queen Mary in Long Beach would make a fine casino.


21 posted on 01/17/2008 11:51:27 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: MovieMogul

They don’t have craps, my favorite, or roulette, or many of the other games they have in Vegas. And no sports betting. I am against legalized gambling in California. But if they are going to have it to this extent, then legalize it. Why can’t I invest in a casino/hotel, but some dirt poor Indians in Valley Center find out they are 1/16 Indian (so am I) and they get a steady income from the mobsters who actually run the show?


22 posted on 01/17/2008 11:54:03 AM PST by Defiant (Hillary needs Obama in the race to make it seem she has experience by comparison.)
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To: John Jorsett; jiggyboy

The other thing that bothers me is the change in where revenues go. Today, they go into two Trusts that go specifically to address issues associated with the tribes.

The new process would have all revenues going into the State General Fund for it to get squandered on some new social program (or Arnie’s hydrogen highway) or something. It just feeds the beast.


23 posted on 01/17/2008 11:57:41 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Defiant
To expand on the point, creating an artificial monopoly is economically inefficient and results in the transfer of wealth to the protected class. Give everyone the right to start a casino, and they get built in the best locations, they charge the best rates and they maximize the money raised for their owners and for the state (through taxes). Society loses when it creates artificial and inefficient monopolies, and also creates a situation that is ripe for corruption, as those benefitted will do whatever it takes to maintain their favored position.

I seem to recall that Indians are allowed to do gambling because of some federal law that says that if states allow it, they have to give the right to Indian reservations, too. So, states with lotteries and legal poker were forced to allow Indian gambling, through creative judicial decisions. The simplest fix to this idiocy is to amend or revoke the federal law. Barring that, if the states are going to embrace the Indian gaming, they ought not to discriminate against the rest of their citizens.

24 posted on 01/17/2008 11:59:37 AM PST by Defiant (Hillary needs Obama in the race to make it seem she has experience by comparison.)
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To: BenLurkin

Agree. No reason its owners should be treated differently than Indians, nor should the citizens of Long Beach have to drive to the desert to play games that the state is in essence approving.


25 posted on 01/17/2008 12:06:18 PM PST by Defiant (Hillary needs Obama in the race to make it seem she has experience by comparison.)
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To: calcowgirl
I go to two of the casinos quite often and the addition of slots wouldn't make much of a difference. Maybe machine selection would be better, but there are almost always vacant spots any time except possible Saturdays and Sundays. Even then the peek seems to be around those evenings. Don’t see where this will hurt anything much. The problem is Las Vegas has priced itself out for most people. It has become a playground mostly for the rich.
26 posted on 01/17/2008 1:05:43 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: calcowgirl
Voting “no” is usually a safe vote.

And they know that so they write some of the propositions with double and triple negatives so you don't know whether you are voting for or against.

27 posted on 01/17/2008 1:12:34 PM PST by oldbrowser (100% margin of error.)
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To: calcowgirl
and the concentration of one-third of the state's gambling profits into just four wealthy tribes.

It's is not the state's gambling profits. Why do these bureaucrats think they own everything?

28 posted on 01/17/2008 1:17:15 PM PST by oldbrowser (100% margin of error.)
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To: Ben Mugged
until we get a Republican majority in the state senate to reduce spending.

Not necessary. We simply need a governor who will support the Republican minority in the state senate to reduce the spending.

29 posted on 01/17/2008 1:52:40 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Defiant

Actually at Cache Creek they do have craps and roulette.


30 posted on 01/18/2008 9:12:17 AM PST by MovieMogul (Is he strong? Listen, Bub. He has radioactive blood.)
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To: calcowgirl

If they are going to expand gambling, they should open it to anyone, and get full tax benefit.


31 posted on 01/18/2008 9:17:37 AM PST by Eva
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To: John Jorsett

One of the problems I see as I read through articles on the issue is that the “4 Big Tribes” in SoCal are raking in billions while many of the “Tribes” children are receiving taxpayer funded health care.

Another problem for me is that the for and against camps all seem to be union affiliated i.e. Delores Huerta UFW, against, and California Federation of Teachers, for.

What to do?


32 posted on 01/20/2008 9:26:37 AM PST by jamndad5 ("I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.")
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To: calcowgirl
Voting “no” is usually a safe vote. Occasionally there is something worthy of a “yes,”

A little trickery on the ballot is Prop 93. I'm voting no....at a very brief glance, if you want to continue term limits, you'd think you might want to vote yes, but it's the opposite.

33 posted on 01/20/2008 9:33:19 AM PST by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: ErnBatavia
A little trickery on the ballot is Prop 93...

Yep, Prop 93 is the most dishonest of the bunch.

It should have been labeled the "Keep Perata and Nunez in Office" Initiative.

That one definitely gets a big NO! from me.

34 posted on 01/20/2008 9:40:25 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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