Posted on 12/11/2007 4:12:59 PM PST by Tlaloc
Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks in an upcoming article, "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"
The article, to be published in Sunday's New York Times Magazine, says Huckabee asked the question after saying he believes Mormonism is a religion but doesn't know much about it. His rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, is a member of the Mormon church, which is known officially as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The authoritative Encyclopedia of Mormonism, published in 1992, does not refer to Jesus and Satan as brothers. It speaks of Jesus as the son of God and of Satan as a fallen angel, which is a Biblical account.
A spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Huckabee's question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.
"We believe, as other Christians believe and as Paul wrote, that God is the father of all," said the spokeswoman, Kim Farah. "That means that all beings were created by God and are his spirit children. Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind. Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for."
Romney did not respond to a request for comment.
Earlier this month in Iowa, Huckabee wouldn't say whether he thought Mormonism — rival Romney's religion — was a cult.
"I'm just not going to go off into evaluating other people's doctrines and faiths. I think that is absolutely not a role for a president," the former Arkansas governor said.
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Abortions are an abomination and I say that as a moral statement, not a political one.
“There were enough people of different faith traditions wandering about in this land over two hundred years ago for our Founding Fathers to specify that religious “tests” were not to be countenanced.”
Do you and the people who spout that jibber -jabber actually believe that [religious “tests” were not to be countenanced.”] by free voters?
Now, what was said is that no religious test could prevent any man from running for office, but that is far away from saying a voter can not exercise pridence based on religious tests. Otherwise, it would be ILLEGAL NOT TO VOTE for Satanists!
Gets trotted out on every Mitt thread doesn’t it?
[So far, he’s not tried to overtly mock Christian beliefs, like this attempt to mock Mormon teaching.]
One word “peepstones”. It is quite impossible NOT to mock Mormonism. Here’s another one, “garmies”.
If you are outlawing mockery, you are outlawing Free Speech against anything that is absolutely ridiculous. Be careful what you wish for.
Seriously what’s wrong with HONESTLY asking theological questions (not to smear someone, but to get at what they believe and their eternal destination?). That being said I believe the MORMON Issues had 0% to do with the Presidential 2008 Campaign! IT SHOULD BE ABOUT ISSUES. Theologically I believe Mormons are wrong though, they don’t believe in “the same Jesus” that I do since they don’t believe in the “Holy Trinity”! God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit!
[Gets trotted out on every Mitt thread doesn’t it?]
Yes and it’s is so blatantly false and would have such incredibly adverse consequences that I can’t understand how low an IQ you need to be able to believe it.
Now, what was said is that no religious test could prevent any man from running for office, but that is far away from saying a voter can not exercise pridence based on religious tests.
OK, I will give you that one, but still, can you accept the idea that our Founding Fathers did find common cause, even though each of the colonies had its own religious traditions? Have we not come somewhat further down that path, at least most of us? I certainly see on every Mitt Romney thread a lot of people who seem to have not.
Take water: the building block matter of life: It is ONE Element yet can exists in 3 different forms with their own properties..
I’m not talking about outlawing mockery, but it might be a sign of a person’s fitness for the Presidency. That even includes people who talk about vast right wing conspiracies. I’m glad Huck did this now, rather than wait until after we’re saddled with him as the nominee. I expect the next Pubbie debate to be a free-for-all, and we won’t be talking about sanctuary mansions anymore!
I resemble that.
Yes, but can a single molecule of water be gas, liquid and solid all at the same time?
Let’s see, did he or did the Huck not take money for pardons in Arkansas, that is the BIG question!
Theology isn’t a debate for POTUS candidates to engage in in a public forum and questioning one another’s dogma is stupid. It alienates voters who get turned off by the “holier than though” wing of the Republican party.
This thread should get exciting but I believe that Huckabee’s statement does accurately reflect LDS doctrine. I think they teach that Jesus and Satan were brothers and both of them had plans to save the human race. Satan wanted to force everyone to accept God - Jesus wanted to give them free will. I could be mistaken but I am pretty sure that this is part of Mormon doctrine.
“that our Founding Fathers did find common cause, even though each of the colonies had its own religious traditions? Have we not come somewhat further down that path, at least most of us? I certainly see on every Mitt Romney thread a lot of people who seem to have not.”
Every person decides on lines they will not cross. While it is certainly true that one should not be quick to anger or dispute, most of the so called “anti-Mormons” on this site are acting so out of either personal experience (ex-Mormon, or with family members or business acquaintances who are Mormon), or because of deep religious differences.
Now, one of two conditions must therefore exist 1) most of the antis are slobbering apes, or 2) most know a whole lot more of what is going on behind the scenes than the general population.
You’ll have to decide yourself which case it might be. But just be aware that the side that produces the largest bulk of documentation by far is the antis (and they quote from both Mormon as well as Gentile sources). All I’m saying is that sometimes where there is a lot of smoke, THERE REALLY IS FIRE.
If the good Christians weren’t trashing Romney, he might have a decent chance to get the nomination and beat the Dem candidate for prez. No other Republican stands a snowball’s chance in hell.
Its just a religion - can’t we move on ...
Well, of all the posts thus far, this one by SeektheTruth is the most ignorant.
I think the loud chorus of concerns in this thread range from...
(a) those who wish Huckabee hadn't even addressed anything Mormon (they think it's a politically strategic error)...as evidenced by one comment from ECM...
(b) those who somehow think the question itself is content-wise off-base when describing Mormon theology;
(c) "Oh, glee, oh, me, here's a chance to slam Huckabee just 'cause he's not 'my fave candidate.' Can't pass this one up." [Since I don't know internal motivations, whoever this describes how 'bout 'fessin up & say, "Yup, (c) was me."]
Those expressing "horror" for reasons of (a) are quite comical: It's like the elephant in the living room. They're more upset over the person who pointed to the elephant than they are the person who brought the elephant into the living room in the firstplace. (These folks want to keep pretending in their fantasy political life that the MSM won't bring this same subject to the attention of voters in 2008!!! Go ahead. Dream away..we wouldn't want to abruptly wake you up from your fantasy life).
Anyway, this all reminds me of folks who get more upset over people holding signs of aborted babies than they are the people who aborted the baby or legally allowed it to take place (misdirected provocation).
Those expressing "horror" for reasons of (b) show that they are the most ignorant.
Here we have, in 1958, one of the top 70 officials in the LDS Church, Milton R. Hunter, making this exact statement (and not in question form): "The appointment of Jesus to be Saviour of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, Son of the Morning .... this spirit brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Saviour of Mankind." MILTON R. HUNTER (First Council of 70) The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15
The ignorance evident here is that folks don't understand that LDS believe that spirits were created in a pre-existent spirit world and that Jesus was the first so-called "created" spirit. As Juan Meden pointed out in post #169: LDS prophet Brigham Young said: In the [Journal of] Discourses of Brigham Young, on Pg.53-54 he lets it be known that Lucifer is the second son, the one known as “Son of the Morning.” “Who will redeem the earth, who will go forth and make the sacrifice for the earth and all things it contains?” The Eldest Son said: “Here am I”; and then he added, “Send me.” But the second one, which was “Lucifer, Son of the Morning,” said, “Lord, here am I, send me, I will redeem every son and daughter of Adam and Eve that lives on the earth, or that ever goes on the earth.”
Ask any Mormon. They will readily tell you that "Jesus was the first born spirit in the pre-existence. He was literally our elder brother." What they won't readily tell you is that they believe that Lucifer (aka Satan) is also deemed by them to be an elder spirit brother of theirs.
As the LDS-produced Encyclopedia of Mormonism (p. 724), says: “Jesus Christ, whose main title was Jehovah, was the firstborn spirit child of God the Father and thus the eldest brother and preeminent above all other spirit children of God.”
Hence, all folks & angels are in the minds of LDS, "spirit brothers."
This is a crazy thread! Are they all upset because he believes the truth about Mormon doctrine, or that he actually said it?
Mainly that he expressed the truth about Mormon doctrine in question form...some are upset because they believe that faith issues are "out of this world" issues & don't belong in political discourse. Others are upset because they think it misrepresents Mormon doctrine (when it doesn't). They are just mistaken; but instead of staying silent on their ignorance, it's easier to criticize someone else.
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