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Abolish the CIA ( Destroying the interrogation tapes amounts to mutiny and treason. -
Slate ^ | Monday, Dec. 10, 2007, at 12:09 PM ET | By Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 12/11/2007 9:58:24 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

It seems flabbergastingly improbable that President George W. Bush learned of the National Intelligence Estimate concerning Iranian nuclear ambitions only a few days before the rest of us did, but the haplessness of his demeanor suggested that he might, in fact, have been telling the truth. After all, had the administration known for any appreciable length of time that the mullahs had hit the pause button on their program in late 2003, it would have been in a position to make a claim that is quite probably true, namely, that our overthrow of Saddam Hussein had impressed the Iranians in much the same way as it impressed the Libyans and made them at least reconsider their willingness to continue flouting the Non-Proliferation Treaty. (Given that the examination of the immense Libyan stockpile also disclosed the fingerprints that led back to the exposure of the A.Q. Khan nuke-mart in Pakistan, the removal of Saddam from the chessboard has had more effect in curbing the outlaw WMD business than it is normally given credit for.)

Nobody seems entirely sure what caused our intelligence agencies to reverse their opinion, but it seems rather likely that the defection and/or abduction of Brig. Gen. Ali Reza Asgari, Iran's former deputy minister of defense, in February of this year, has something to do with it. Asgari's ostensibly principal job had been that of liaison with Hezbollah in Lebanon, but his debriefing could also have helped confirm pre-existing surmises about Iran's reining-in of its nuclear ambitions.

Which is the most that can be said about those ambitions. It is completely false for anybody to claim, on the basis of this admitted "estimate," that Iran has ceased to be a candidate member of the fatuously named nuclear "club."

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; cia; iran; irannukes; nie; nukes; waterboarding
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It has the desire to acquire the weaponry, it retains the means to do so, and it has been caught lying and cheating about the process.
1 posted on 12/11/2007 9:58:26 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yes, but don’t let that cloud your judgement. You need to listen to the media and the nation’s leading marxists to understand this complex issue. /s


2 posted on 12/11/2007 10:00:10 AM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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For a most interesting opinion on the NIE see this:

The NIE Report: Solving a Geopolitical Problem with Iran
Stratfor Geopolitical Intelligence Report ^ | December 03, 2007 2319 GMT | By George Friedman

3 posted on 12/11/2007 10:01:17 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Might as well. Move the personnel from Langley to FoggyBottom where they belong.


4 posted on 12/11/2007 10:01:21 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sounds like a pretty damn good argument to me. In the free market, when an organization fails repeatedly and tops it off with a fiasco like this NIE report, that’s a sign that dramatic change is long overdue.


5 posted on 12/11/2007 10:01:56 AM PST by PC99
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hitchens of no consequence, just liberal pimp.
6 posted on 12/11/2007 10:02:10 AM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

How does Christie Hitchens reconcile his sudden absolute faith in the accuracy of the National Intelligence Estimate, when he wouldn’t have a word of it if it said Iraq had WMDs?

Hmmm?


7 posted on 12/11/2007 10:02:11 AM PST by Redbob
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To: DoughtyOne

See link at #3 for a 180 on what the NIE means....


8 posted on 12/11/2007 10:02:51 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

How ironic...accusations of mutiny and treason coming from the party of mutiny and treason.

A good rule of thumb is...if Slate is for it, I’m against it.


9 posted on 12/11/2007 10:03:25 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1588504/posts


10 posted on 12/11/2007 10:04:30 AM PST by Fennie
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To: SierraWasp; All; blam; SunkenCiv; NormsRevenge; kellynla; onyx; Brad's Gramma; Howlin; MEG33; ...

NIE ping!


11 posted on 12/11/2007 10:04:46 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hitchens is little more than a drama queen.


12 posted on 12/11/2007 10:05:01 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I’ve also heard that mid-level staffers think this report is hooey.
13 posted on 12/11/2007 10:05:22 AM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Redbob

Hitchens has been pretty consistent on Iraq and has always supported the effort.


14 posted on 12/11/2007 10:05:57 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The experts at a “webazine” know better.


15 posted on 12/11/2007 10:06:59 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: DoughtyOne

ROFLOL!


16 posted on 12/11/2007 10:07:35 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Slate gets their panties in a bunch again.


17 posted on 12/11/2007 10:13:27 AM PST by caisson71
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A little excerpt from the article linked at post #3...

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A number of obvious questions come up. First, how did the intelligence community reach the wrong conclusion in the spring of 2005, and what changed by 2007? Why did the US reach the wrong conclusions on Iran 3 years after its program was halted? There are two possible answers. One is intelligence failure and the other is political redefinition. Both must be explored.

18 posted on 12/11/2007 10:13:49 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: MEG33
If is a hoot huh. Our media is such a parody of itself.
19 posted on 12/11/2007 10:17:04 AM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.”
P.J.O’Rourke


20 posted on 12/11/2007 10:22:43 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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