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1 posted on 10/16/2007 8:14:45 PM PDT by AngieGal
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To: AngieGal

That’s cool.


2 posted on 10/16/2007 8:24:19 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: AngieGal
I wonder what this other "significant link" was.
3 posted on 10/16/2007 8:27:40 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: AngieGal
Professor Says History’s Best Known and Most Debated Star Proven

Proved? Where's the proof? Sounds more like a weak correlation than any kind of a scientific "proof."

(And, by the way, science does not "prove" things -- it either supports hypotheses and theories, or it disproves them. See my FR homepage for some definitions of scientific terms.)

It looks like this fellow is doing apologetics rather than science.

4 posted on 10/16/2007 8:35:10 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: AngieGal

OK, but how did Jupiter appear directly over Bethlehem?

Why was Jupiter different on the year Christ was born.

Just wondering how he figures.


6 posted on 10/16/2007 8:46:45 PM PDT by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: SunkenCiv

This article seems like it would suit one of your ping lists.


7 posted on 10/16/2007 8:48:35 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq— via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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To: Quix

Interesting . . .


10 posted on 10/16/2007 8:58:27 PM PDT by Petruchio (Out to Lunch)
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To: AngieGal
But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge. Daniel 12:4 (NIV)
12 posted on 10/16/2007 9:00:42 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: AngieGal

The ‘star’ was the shekina.


14 posted on 10/16/2007 9:04:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: AngieGal

Since Herod the Great, who sought to kill Baby Jesus, died no later than the Spring of 4 B.C., any theory positing the birth of Christ later than that date is rubbish. I personally lean toward an earlier date of 9 to 8 B.C. for several reasons.


16 posted on 10/16/2007 9:06:30 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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Okay, here's another file, from 2000. The local paper once had an article on another supposed astronomical connection with the Star of the East found in the Book of Matthew. Deborah Haarsma, a professor at Calvin College, noted that Molnar's book of 1991 attributes the phenomenon to Jupiter. Here's an old link:
Coin May Link Star of Bethlehem to King of Planets
by Henry Fountain
The Star of Bethlehem has been called many things by many people: a comet, a conjunction of planets, a supernova, a miracle, a myth. With just one biblical account, in the book of Matthew, of the star and how it caused the wise men to come to Judea in search of the newborn Jesus, exactly what it was, if indeed it was anything at all, remains an open question.

Dr. Michael R. Molnar, an astronomer and physicist and former teacher at Rutgers University, proposes that the star was the planet Jupiter, seen in the constellation Aries the ram on April 17, 6 B.C. A Roman coin, which Dr. Molnar bought for $50 at a New York show for his collection, was minted in Syria around A.D. 6. It showed Aries looking back over his shoulder at a star. The Romans, he learned, annexed Judea in A.D. 6, and Aries first appeared on Roman coins in that year. That told him that Aries was a symbol for Judea, a fact confirmed by reading Ptolemy.

Dr. Jack Finegan, an emeritus professor at the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley, Calif., and author of "The Handbook of Biblical Chronology," a standard reference on the subject, now puts Herod's death more likely at 1 B.C. John Mosley, program director at the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles and an expert on the Star of Bethlehem, said that while it may never be possible to know what the star was, "when Herod died was an actual event and should be knowable." And if Herod died in 1 B.C., he added, "you can't stretch the birth of Jesus back to 6 or 7 B.C."
Others have made the connection with Aries. Some have pointed to a nova which seems more likely to me. Bright Jupiter is in the sky at least as often as not. The presence of Jupiter in Aries wouldn't have heralded the beginning of an astrological "age". There are no astronomical or astrological clues in Matthew, and this Aries connection is just a supposition. The Romans may have commemorated their conquest by minting coins showing Aries fleeing in vain. A portent of Jupiter in Aries would have looked pretty good in retrospect to the Romans.

There's no relationship between the three wise men or kings of the book of Matthew and any known annal or archive of any kind outside of the New Testament. Trying to come to a definite conclusion about what these three must have been seeing may be futile and perhaps foolhardy.
Searching for the Star of Bethlehem
by Ned Rozell
Alaska Science Forum
December 12, 1996
In 5 BC, Chinese sky watchers saw a "broom-star," a comet with a tail that seemed to sweep the sky. Colin Humphreys, a researcher at the University of Cambridge in England, thinks it was this celestial fireball, which probably looked much like Comet Hyakutake, that guided the three wise men on their journey. The Chinese observers saw the comet for 70 days, plenty of time for the wise men to reach Jerusalem from their homes in Persia, Humphreys claims. Matthew's description of the star of Bethlehem, "lo, the star, which they had seen in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was," could easily describe a moving comet... Henbest suggests Matthew could have made up the tale of the star to enliven the story. Or maybe the guiding star was a miracle, the result of divine intervention. The only sure bet is the origin of the star will remain a mystery for many Christmases to come.

20 posted on 10/16/2007 9:23:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, October 16, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The Star of Bethlehem [Bristol Astronomical Society]
Bath Royal Literary and Scientific Institution | Rod Jenkins
Posted on 12/19/2006 12:31:25 PM EST by Alex Murphy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1755792/posts

Ready for “Little Christmas”?
Fish Eaters: The Whys and Hows of Traditional Catholicism | Vox
Posted on 12/25/2005 9:25:25 PM EST by Catherine A
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FOLLOWING THE WISE MEN
NY Post | December 23, 2003 | JOHN J. MILLER
Posted on 12/24/2003 10:16:30 AM EST by presidio9
Edited on 05/26/2004 8:18:01 PM EDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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21 posted on 10/16/2007 9:26:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, October 16, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: AngieGal

My theory is that it happen a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away....

26 posted on 10/16/2007 10:33:55 PM PDT by Bommer (“He that controls the spice controls the universe!” (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!))
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