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ADL local leader fired on Armenian issue (Genocide question sparked bitter debate)
The Boston Globe ^ | Saturday, August 18, 2007 | By Keith O'Brien, Globe Staff

Posted on 08/18/2007 5:42:01 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

The national Anti-Defamation League fired its New England regional director yesterday, one day after he broke ranks with national ADL leadership and said the human rights organization should acknowledge the Armenian genocide that began in 1915.

The firing of Andrew H. Tarsy, who had served as regional director for about two years and as civil rights counsel for about five years before that, prompted an immediate backlash among prominent local Jewish leaders against the ADL's national leadership and its national director, Abraham H. Foxman.

"My reaction is that this was a vindictive, intolerant, and destructive act, ironically by an organization and leader whose mission -- fundamental mission -- is to promote tolerance," Newton businessman Steve Grossman, a former ADL regional board member, said yesterday.

"I predict that Foxman's actions will precipitate wholesale resignations from the regional board, a meaningful reduction in ADL's regional fund-raising, and will further exacerbate the ADL's relationship with the non-Jewish community coming out of this crisis around the Armenian genocide."

Tarsy, 38, said he had been struggling with the national position for weeks and finally told Foxman in a phone conversation Thursday that he found the ADL's stance "morally indefensible."

The regional board's executive committee backed Tarsy and, according to a source fa miliar with the discussion, even went a step further, resolving to support legislation now pending before Congress to acknowledge the deaths of 1.5 million Armenians during the World War I era as genocide.

The national office's three-page response -- which it provided yesterday to the Globe -- did not mention the local office's intent to support the legislation. But it made clear just how far apart the two sides were on an issue with local, national, and international implications.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: adl; armenian; armeniangenocide; fired; genocide
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1 posted on 08/18/2007 5:42:04 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
What? They have to be Jews for Abraham Foxman to care about it. They were slaughtered by muslims because they were Christians period! Come on abe, you can think outside the box, can't you? They are out to kill anyone who is not a muslim.
2 posted on 08/18/2007 6:14:01 AM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Abe Foxman doesn’t want to acknowledge the murders of hundreds of thousands of Armenians? How strange. I guess only Jews matter?


3 posted on 08/18/2007 6:42:45 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Momaw Nadon

This is a long-standing controversy. When Shimon Peres visited Turkey in the 1990s, he said that he “was not sure” if stories of an Armenian genocide were correct.

Armenians in Jerusalem are not allowed to publically commemorate the genocide, because of Israeli sentivities.


4 posted on 08/18/2007 11:56:13 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: SJackson

Flag.


5 posted on 08/18/2007 11:56:39 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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One of the many political issues the ADL should keep their nose out of.

6 posted on 08/19/2007 12:12:22 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: Colorado Cowgirl

My understanding, which I must admit is very imperfect, was that the Young Turks were radical nationlists who reversed the traditional Ottoman toleration of Christians. Maybe the Armenians were opposing one nationalism against the Turkish kind, but no doubt that bad things happened to them, or that the government did its’ damnest to cover it up.


7 posted on 08/19/2007 1:11:12 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Momaw Nadon; SJackson

The same kind of victimology came at Jewish people from the Serb Defense League types, the Russians, and now...

Hmmm. A quick search with the keywords, “antisemitism armenia” (without the quotes), revealed some information from Turks (heh),...

Antisemitism in Armenia: Two Examples
from the Journal of Turkish Weekly
http://www.turkishweekly.net/articles.php?id=117

Armenian Anti-Semitism in the Ottoman Period
from the Journal of Turkish Weekly
http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1132

...from Radio Free Europe,...

Armenia: Country’s Jews Alarmed Over Nascent Anti-Semitism
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/01/162399d3-7533-454c-b935-b5933b68c75c.html

...and well, one more link,...


ANTI-SEMITISM IN ARMENIA
(2002-2006)
Vyacheslav Likhachev,
Rimma Varzhapetyan, Chairman of the Jewish community of Armenia

“Armenians and Aryans”: Displays of anti-Semitism

“Among Armenian thoughts that have contributed to anti-Semitic attitudes is the theory that Jews organized the Genocide in 1915.”


But many more hits were returned from the search engines.

And BTW, did Armenia join Russia’s SCO, or is its leadership still hemming and hawing about that?

The Russians have really been stirring stuff up around here and also doing so through several other proxies.


8 posted on 08/19/2007 1:19:04 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: Momaw Nadon; SJackson
Conflict Studies Research Centre
http://www.defac.ac.uk/colleges/csrc/document-listings/ca/07(09)HPZ.pdf

"In November 2006, Armenia, one of Russia’s closest allies, proposed strengthening the cooperation between the CSTO and the SCO."

Armenian-Iranian cooperation develops on mutually beneficial conditions
PanArmenian Network
http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=23197

"At the same time he underlined Armenian-Iranian cooperation is not limited only to energy sphere. 'A productive and active cooperation is observed in transportation, trade, agricultural, scientific, educational and cultural spheres,'..."

SCO is primed and ready to fire
By M K Bhadrakumar
Asia Times

"Therefore, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization is indeed making a very big point by way of holding its large-scale military exercises from August 9-17...The proposed formal link between the CSTO and the SCO [closer ties between the two demanded by Armenia --familyop] in essence involves the CSTO plus China, as the SCO member countries other than China are already members of the CSTO. (The CSTO member countries are Russia, Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.)"
9 posted on 08/19/2007 1:47:26 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: M. Espinola
Ping to comment #8 and comment #9. Have you seen the mix of victimology and antisemitism here from Russia and her proxies, one after another?
10 posted on 08/19/2007 1:51:42 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: familyop
Thank you for posting these very alarming antisemitic trends. It's incredible that some Armenian would have the nerve to blame the Jews for their own holocaust which was inflicted upon them by the Ottoman Turks.

"The Russians have really been stirring stuff up around here and also doing so through several other proxies."

So very true. Putin continues arming Iran and Syria, Israel worst enemies in the Muslim world. What does that make tyrant Putin?

In terms of the ADL, a lot of fine work has been accomplished over the years exposing Nazis and monitoring anti-Semitism, however the ADL's leadership reminds me of the leftist Labour Party in Israel, not in the best interests of the Jewish people or Israel.

You have compiled some excellent research data - well done!

11 posted on 08/19/2007 5:54:58 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola
"In terms of the ADL, a lot of fine work has been accomplished over the years exposing Nazis and monitoring anti-Semitism, however the ADL's leadership reminds me of the leftist Labour Party in Israel, not in the best interests of the Jewish people or Israel."

...agreed.

"You have compiled some excellent research data - well done!"

Thank you very much, but es nada. There were only a couple of quick searches, and there's much more good information out there. ...best that I can tell with only a little study, Armenia hasn't been a relatively antisemitic place most of the time. ...only during certain episodes in time. But the "United Russia" is probably not a good influence, and there are only a few hundred Jewish people there now.
12 posted on 08/19/2007 7:49:34 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: Momaw Nadon

The good news here is that Foxman may be on his way out at the ADL. It’s been a long time coming.


13 posted on 08/19/2007 10:34:03 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Alouette; ml/nj; juliej; rmlew; OldFriend; dennisw; Yaelle; RonDog; sofaman; monkeyshine; ...

Ping!


14 posted on 08/19/2007 10:41:23 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
I was completely unaware that the ADL does not acknowledge the Armenian genocide. Do they think all those folks died of flu? Maybe Hitler was right when he said, "No one remembers the Armenians"?

ML/NJ

15 posted on 08/20/2007 4:24:15 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: justiceseeker93
My, my, my. Two Leftist, liberal Democrat communities going at each other over genocide.

At first I thought the ADL position was based on a sort of metaphysical "uniqueness of the Holocaust" doctrine (this takes the place of HaShem's election of Israel for liberal Jews). I can certainly understand not wanting to alienate a friendly power, though if one is going to base the uniqueness of Israel on genocide rather than HaShem's election it certainly is hypocritical to refuse to admit that the genocide may not be so unique after all.

What are American liberals going to do now? They have posed as both pro-Jewish and pro-Armenian for so long. This whole thing reminds me of the 1975 Syrian invasion of Lebanon in opposition (at the time) to the PLO when both were clients of Russia. In Europe they are passing laws to criminalize "Armenian genocide denial" based on the laws outlawing Holocaust denial. Are American liberals now going to defend one set of laws while attacking the others as violations of free speech???

Oslo Abe's claim that the safety of Israel is paramount to the ADL is simply false on its face. And all these conflicts with other "victim" communities would be avoided if Jewish uniqueness were based on Bechirat Yisra'el instead of secularized to a "uniquely oppressed" status that everyone else can dispute.

16 posted on 08/20/2007 7:42:31 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Zakhor 'et 'asher-`asah lekha `Amaleq, baderekh betze'tekhem miMitzrayim . . . !)
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To: Colorado Cowgirl; vladimir998
The Armenian-American community is every bit as liberal and Democrat as the American Jewish community. And the Armenians have a long history of leftist radicalism.

Two liberal communities are about to go at each other's throats. Sit back and enjoy the fun.

17 posted on 08/20/2007 7:44:44 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Zakhor 'et 'asher-`asah lekha `Amaleq, baderekh betze'tekhem miMitzrayim . . . !)
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To: Momaw Nadon
I'm sorry, I don't understand. The Armenians were slaughtered, that's history. What's the problem?

5.56mm

18 posted on 08/20/2007 7:47:21 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe
I'm sorry, I don't understand. The Armenians were slaughtered, that's history. What's the problem?

Not whether it happened, but whether Turkey should be condemned by Congress and/or the UN.

IMO it's a political issue which the ADL shouldn't be involved with. It's not their job. Unfortunately under Foxman they stick their noses into everything from gun control to gay marriage, so a position on this issue isn't out of character in terms of current management. And they're on the wrong side politically.

19 posted on 08/20/2007 7:54:18 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: SJackson
Understood. Thank you.

5.56mm

20 posted on 08/20/2007 7:56:50 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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