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To: unspun
You're starting from a false idea of moral relativism -- which is anti-American.

Ah, ad hominem. How is it false or anti-American? You will find many people who are pro-America with different views on morality, even within those adhering to Judeo-Christian ethics. For instance, how immoral is pre-marital sex? Should we deport the majority of young people because they aren't conforming to the "no sex before marriage" notions, and hence they are anti-American?

181 posted on 05/09/2007 11:50:31 AM PDT by psychoknk
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To: psychoknk

Not meant ad hominem. Moral relatism is a false idea when it comes to understanding the founding and purpose of America. Thus, when it becomes the grounds for a social contract, moral relativism is anti-American.

Of course pre-marital sex that you bring up is immoral, no matter what anyone thinks about it. And yes, so is drug abuse and addictive behaviors. Behaving in ways God does condone in his providence is immoral (which doesn’t mean it’s best to make laws against just any immoral thing).

Why do you think that the founding fathers warned that instruction in religion and the will to be moral are fundamental to the survival of the American republic?

Americanism (or conservatism, when we mean we want to conserve a free American way of life) is very different than Randist, double-negative philosophy and the like.


189 posted on 05/09/2007 1:05:04 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: psychoknk
How is it false or anti-American?

Moral relativism is the epitome of mush-mindedness; something that all real Americans rightly shun.

For instance, how immoral is pre-marital sex?

Very.

Should we deport the majority of young people because they aren't conforming to the "no sex before marriage" notions, and hence they are anti-American?

No. Since two people having sex, even the immoral kind, doesn't harm either party, the government shouldn't step in (although a very good argument could be made that any resulting child is being harmed by not being in a good family environment, but I'll let this one go for now). What should happen is the Church should explain to people why it's wrong, and put such a social stigma on it that people won't do it. Our political leaders shouldn't put such people into a jail cell, but they ought to comment on how shameful it is that someone would use their liberty to committ acts of immorality. But that would require honest politicians with good hearts, and we're running a little short these days...
204 posted on 05/09/2007 6:44:30 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
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