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OPEC Abandons Dollar
Moneynews/Newmax ^ | 12/11/06 | Newmax & AntiMullah

Posted on 12/11/2006 4:15:34 PM PST by FARS

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To: FARS
I think this is just another front in the war. I suspect much of the redesign of our currency is because the various towelhead nations have been trying to undermine its credibility by counterfeiting Federal Reserve notes. The oil spike in the last couple of years has certainly contributed to inflationary pressure. The housing bubble burst at an oddly selective time; there didn't seem to be any more reason for it to pop when it did than at any other time. China is buying friends all over Africa using money from its vast trade surplus. And now the ragheads are shorting dollars.

This isn't just coincidence. All these events wouldn't just randomly converge against the United States at the same time. There's something behind this, he declared, at the risk of being called a Colander Commando.

21 posted on 12/11/2006 4:48:06 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: FARS
Respreading one's portfolio from time to time is always a wise decision.

Certainly the oil sheiks could have made much more money by doing this much earlier like when one Euro was launched to equal one Dollar.

22 posted on 12/11/2006 4:52:01 PM PST by AmusedBystander (Republicans - doing the work that Democrats won't do since 1854.)
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To: FARS

The only way the dollar could crash is if a large holder like China just unloads their holdings at once. That would be a pretty dumb thing to do, hurting them more than us.


23 posted on 12/11/2006 4:56:05 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: FARS

bump


24 posted on 12/11/2006 5:10:37 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Brilliant

Indeed. The headline makes it sound as though oil itself was not going to be traded in dollars.


25 posted on 12/11/2006 5:21:25 PM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: IronJack

"This isn't just coincidence. All these events wouldn't just randomly converge against the United States at the same time. There's something behind this, he declared, at the risk of being called a Colander Commando."

I agree with you about this not being random. Too much going on at once, way too much.


26 posted on 12/11/2006 5:22:32 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: Quix

Any thoughts on this??


27 posted on 12/11/2006 5:24:38 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: FARS

Well, the oil princes DO own us.


28 posted on 12/11/2006 5:28:48 PM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: IronJack

the way I heard it, and this is almost 20 years ago, certain very expensive US type intaglio press, through a circuitous route ended up in Lebanon, if I recall correctly. North Korea is probably in on this game as well. Anyway, somewhere in unfriendly land, and they were cranking out perfect bills by the sea container load, whatever. Bastards.


29 posted on 12/11/2006 5:30:21 PM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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To: FARS

I'm not exactly sure why, but this doesn't seem to bother me much.


30 posted on 12/11/2006 5:33:11 PM PST by McGavin999 (Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
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To: Brilliant; All

"The only way the dollar could crash is if a large holder like China just unloads their holdings at once. That would be a pretty dumb thing to do, hurting them more than us."




Not quite correct. It does not need a huge "unload". About a year or so ago, a mid-level employee of South Korea's Central Bank had a conversation at some insignificant lunch with table partners where he mentioned South Korea might take a look at divesifying foreign exchange holdings.

By the end of the day, the dollar had dropped 10% on the fear of what he had said casually.

Nobody wants to start a panic run on the dollar but nobody wants to be the last to hold dollars if there is a run. The emotional mindset is as or more significant than the first couple of covert sales. Then all heck breaks loose.

As little as $50 million sell off by say an Asian or South American Central bank might suffice to trigger the run. Not any bank of that country but the Central Bank.


31 posted on 12/11/2006 5:36:29 PM PST by FARS
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That'll screw up the foreign currency trade, particularly in the Far East where they buy a lot of oil. The Euro will be moving based on the price of oil instead of whatever the European economy is doing. If I had to guess, this has to do with the Saudis, who still dominate, wanting Turkey in the EU.


32 posted on 12/11/2006 5:39:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: McGavin999

Possibly because it resembles being overly worried by the possibility of an earthquake or a Tsunami. Not much you can do to stop it if it decides to occur.

The main difference is that we may be able to predict/foresee/guess at the currency market better than the above items.


33 posted on 12/11/2006 5:40:38 PM PST by FARS
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To: Freedom4US

As George Soros and his ilk have aptly demonstrated, our enemies don't always fight with fulminating weapons. There's an economic war being waged right beside the one on the battlefield.


34 posted on 12/11/2006 5:53:03 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: BenLurkin

That is the intent.

I remember in the 90's there was a headline to just that: That OPEC was going to switch to the Euro


35 posted on 12/11/2006 5:56:49 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

It makes little sense to me for the same reasons you suggest. Europe is an ecomomic joke.

It could be however that the world is predicting the demonrats to dominate the upcoming electionsin 2008.


36 posted on 12/11/2006 6:02:11 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Berosus; Cincinatus' Wife; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; Fedora; ..
GoldMoney Alert: OPEC Has Already Turned to the Euro
Edited by James Turk
18 February 2004


US Imports of Crude oil
(1)
(2)
(3)
(4)
(5)
(6)
Year
Quantity (thousands of barrels)
Value (thousands of US dollars)
Unit price (US dollars)
Average daily US$ per € exchange rate
Unit price (euros)

2001

3,471,066
74,292,894
21.40
0.8952
23.91
2002
3,418,021
77,283,329
22.61
0.9454
23.92
2003
3,673,596
99,094,675
26.97
1.1321
23.82

We can see from column (4) in the above table that in 2001, each barrel of imported crude oil cost $21.40 on average for that year. But by 2003 the average price of a barrel of crude oil had risen 26.0% to $26.97 per barrel. However, the important point is shown in column (6). Note that the price of crude oil in terms of euros is essentially unchanged throughout this 3-year period.

37 posted on 12/11/2006 6:05:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/US_Dollar.htm

"11/29/05 -- In the year of Allah 1385, a 2,500 year-old Islamic nation will begin pricing its oil in euros. On that day in March 2006, the industrial world will shift on its axis with the launch of the Iranian oil bourse (IOB). Just about everyone on the planet will benefit by the ascendancy of the euro and liberation from the declining dollar. Except the United States. [aljazeera.com Sept 14/05]

"Weary of watching its increasingly valuable black crude perversely decline in value along with the diving dollar tendered by its buyers, the second largest OPEC producer is making good on a promise first floated in 1999 to demand payment for its oil to euros."


38 posted on 12/11/2006 6:06:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BLA310A.html

Centre for Research on Globalisation
Russia's Switch into the Euro signals Decline of US Dollar as a Global Currency
21 October 2003

The Global Redlining of America: Bush Plunges U.S. into Rapid Decline
http://www.blackcommentator.com/
16 October 2003

"The previously unthinkable is now on the table. Russia, the world's second largest oil exporter, is giving serious consideration to trading its black gold in euros, a switch that would surely set dominos in motion among other oil producing nations and, ultimately, knock the dollar off its global throne... A switch to the euro 'is really possible,' according to Russian economist and Putin advisor Yevgeny Gavrilenkov. 'Why not? More than half of Russia's oil trade is with Europe. But there will be great opposition to this from the United States.'"


39 posted on 12/11/2006 6:09:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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http://energybulletin.net/123.html

Published on 11 Jan 2004 by Globe and Mail Update. Archived on 11 Jan 2004.

OPEC mulls move to euro for pricing crude oil

by Patrick Brethour

"Several members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries are seeking formal talks on using the euro, as well as the U.S. dollar, when determining price targets for crude, a senior oil minister within the cartel said Monday. 'There are countries that are proposing this,' Venezuela's Oil Minister Rafael Ramirez said in Caracas. 'It's out there, under discussion.' Mr. Ramirez did not specify which OPEC members are pushing the proposal, but much of the impetus is believed to come from Persian Gulf producers. They have seen their purchasing power in Europe pinched as the U.S. dollar loses ground against the euro -- including touching a record low Monday."


40 posted on 12/11/2006 6:11:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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