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Army dismisses gay soldier 'outed' by e-mail
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| 7/27/6
| DUNCAN MANSFIELD
Posted on 07/27/2006 7:39:00 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: ma bell
I would like to quote a small section I found in "The Savage Nation" by Michael Savage.
"Like decaying civilizations fo the past, America's fall will come from the decadence within and the security threats from without. Like them, we are bombarded by decadence and false causes in the headlines every day: we hear about racial profiling, gay and lesbian rights, racism and feminism, abortion rights and animal rights and guns and environment, as if there were no other issues in the country, or in the universe, for that matter. They have become the sunspots that blind us. It's like the insane beating of a drum that drives out all rational thought.
Racist monsters are trying to shake the pillars of this country. And from the outside there are repeated threats of atomic attacks. Can such a nation as this survive? Even Jesus observed, "Every Kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand" (Matt. 12:25 NIV)...
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Do you care to call him "unChristian"? Perhaps "hotshot" for daring to quote from the Bible? Perhaps you want to challange Salvage him on his military record?
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posted on
07/29/2006 11:24:38 AM PDT
by
LowOiL
("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
To: kenboy
Neither one of us is budging from our positions on this; let's just call it a day.
Sorry, I cant let the discussion rest with such a grievous error. I currently earn my living (after retiring from military service) using statistics and statistical methods. From this expertise, I can tell you that based upon mathematical principles and practices, you have arrived at an incorrect conclusion based upon sampling error and false analogy.
Whatever the actual number [of service personnel engaging in prohibited heterosexual activity], I think it's fair to say it's certainly a lot more [service personnel] than the number engaging in homosexual contact.
It is equally certain, based upon statistics, that many more service personnel engage in petty theft than in murder. Nonetheless, I do not think you would maintain it was wise to remove the legal sanctions from either murder or petty theft. The analogy is consistent. Care to reconsider your remarks?
Since they're both [prohibited heterosexual activities and homosexual activities] equally against regulations, and since our military continues to be the finest in the world, I fail to see where we have a order and discipline problem stemming from all this "unnatural carnal copulation." .
It is beginning to appear that your reasoning ability is markedly impaired. While there are many issues tied to this point, including that of good order and discipline, you consistently fail to recognize that a single one completely destroys your position: that of blood borne pathogens and wounds. It is impossible to escape the fact that homosexual practitioners are the overwhelming carriers of this problem and that allowing them unfettered access to the military creates an unacceptable escalation in the risk to our fighting forces. The testing you have proposed as an alternative is unacceptable in terms of logistics and cost as well as its potential violation of Article 32 of the UCMJ.
Once, again, I respectfully call on you to abandon your ill-informed and poorly considered opinion in favor of one based upon fact, logic and the experience of those better positioned than you.
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Military investigators wrote that Copas "engaged in at least three homosexual relationships, and is dealing with at least two jealous lovers, either of whom could be the anonymous source providing this information."
It is long past time to get rid of the don't ask don't tell leftist policy of delusion and go back to a reality based policy. Ask up front about those that are predisposed toward and or practice homosexual sexual activities...
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posted on
08/01/2006 5:40:08 PM PDT
by
DBeers
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To: kenboy
To maintain "good order and discipline," do you believe that heterosexual soldiers who admit to having engaged in oral or anal sex with a member of the opposite sex, including, if they are married, their own wives, should be brought up on charges stemming from an Article 125 violation? The topic involves specifically homosexual sex and in general the leftist attempt to normalize it and "homosexualize" society MUCH as you attempt to do with your argumenet which would be better suited to DU.
If you wish to advocate for a homosexual military THEN do so on DU.
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posted on
08/01/2006 5:43:35 PM PDT
by
DBeers
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
I'd think any person who said, "Hi I'm gay and here to help." is psychotic.
LOL! For real!
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posted on
08/02/2006 2:31:23 AM PDT
by
mrsmel
(Men possess talent. Genius possesses men. Chocolate cravings possess women.)
To: DBeers
The topic involves specifically homosexual sex and in general the leftist attempt to normalize it and "homosexualize" society MUCH as you attempt to do with your argumenet which would be better suited to DU.
If you wish to advocate for a homosexual military THEN do so on DU.
I have never seen so much trolling in one thread on Free Republic as I have in this one.
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posted on
08/02/2006 2:58:58 AM PDT
by
mrsmel
(Men possess talent. Genius possesses men. Chocolate cravings possess women.)
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To: absolootezer0
not really, my best friend is an arab language specialist, he seems to think that there are enough of them.
I guess that's why thousands of documents haven't been interpreted and new ones are just filed due to lack of personnel to handle them.
To: little jeremiah
but much better is to weed them out during recruitment.
Yup, I'm with you dude!!!! Weed them out before they can interpret anything. That'll teach em.
To: CSM
Would you be comfortable showering within 2 feet of a gay person of your sex?
If you're a secure and mature person it shouldn't be a problem. That person in the shower, 2 feet away, is the same person he/she was when they were outside the shower door. The only thing that changes is that you are aware that they're gay. If that's uncomfortable it would appear that you have a problem, not the gay person showering next to you especially if no attempt is being made to seduce you. An overt gesture would be out of place, gay or straight.
To: TheSuaveOne
To think it is reasonable to have coed facilities for 18 year old hormonaly active people is insane.There are many such places. They are called "colleges" and "universities."
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posted on
08/06/2006 4:53:37 PM PDT
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: Tokra
The military does not need this queer in the ranks creating morale (or other) problems. Good riddance!
It's good to know we have people who are able to effectively prioritize national security issues.
To: Red Badger
... A queer can be blackmailed for such to the detriment or even death of your fellow service members. Still feel that you couldn’t have been blackmailed? ... LOL, I thought this excuse went out in the 60s
To: bigdcaldavis
Private Fudgepacker need not worry...the ACLU will (at least try to) save the day for him.
The last word (him) could very well be us rather than him.
But, if you feel it's better to purge gays out rather than interpret documents affecting national security I guess you know best.
To: LowOiL
Uggg.. Obviously He DIDN'T keep his private life private as most homos can't. To me this is like putting a child molester in a room full of children. nice to know who the ignorant bigots are...too bad there isnt a "ignore" function
To: SmithL
First they get the military to accept gays.
Will the homo's be satisfied with that?Hell no.
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posted on
08/06/2006 5:13:13 PM PDT
by
philetus
(Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
To: Joan Kerrey
Your promotion of homosexuality is transparent.
I have no interest in debating with phonies. Go promote the inclusion of sexual deviants in the military elsewhere.
To: Joan Kerrey
The military does not need this queer in the ranks creating morale (or other) problems.And just how does having men AND women working together in the ranks NOT cause the same morale problems? After all - one soldier lusting after another is going to cause problems - the gender of the soldiers is immaterial. Should we kick out all the females in the military?
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:31:34 AM PDT
by
Tokra
(I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
To: Tokra
WOmen and men should not be sharing quarters in the military. They should have separate units, train separately etc just the way they did in the past.
Uni-sex military is a bad idea, homosexuals in the military even worse.
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