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To: colonel mosby
is no disputing that Abraham Lincoln trampled on the Constitution, instituted the income tax, denied habeas corpus, and fomented a war that cost 600,000 American lives.

You need to quit reading your history from the "Lost Cause" propaganda of the late 1800s. I am glad you are proud of your heritage, however that does not excuse knowing lying about historic facts.

Your "facts" are utter nonsense based on any rational, serious understanding of history.

Lincoln did NOT "trample" the Constitution. A state of insurrection against the Govt existed. You do not get to be "Rebels" then demand he protection of the US Constitution. Your side claimed the Govt dissolved, therefore your side can not make absurd claims to a right to protection. In a state of insurrection you are an enemy of, not a member of US civil society and the President full war making powers as Commander in Chief can be brought to bear on you.

Southern fire eaters knowingly and deliberately started the war to maintain the existing political status quo. They felt the only way to maintain their position of dominance over souther society, both poor white and slave, was to break free and form their own nation. They knew that the Northern greater population and land for settlers available mean inevitably the south would simply lose the demographic battle over time against the North. Lincoln did everything he could to find a compromise that YOUR heros Jeff Davis et al were NOT interested in at all. YOUR people started the war. To claim any different is absurd.

The Income Tax was institute in Oct 1913 by the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. 36 states ratified the Amendment. WE did it to ourselves via the wholly right and proper Amendment process. To blame one person for someone for the Income Tax is both childish and intellectually vacuous. When the tax was imposed, Lincoln had been dead 48 years and 6 months. The Income Tax was NOT imposed by Lincoln.

108 posted on 07/08/2006 9:25:28 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: MNJohnnie

Respectfully, sir, you are wrong.

Lincoln signed the first income tax into law, with a top rate of 10%, as a "war measure". It was repealed in 1872, but established the precedent of income taxation.

In 1862, Lincoln also signed a tax bill containing 119 sections, which imposed stamp taxes, inheritance taxes, excise taxes, gross receipt taxes, and license taxes.

States were voluntary members of "the Union", and had the right to dissolve themselves of that Union, just as the founders dissolved themselves from Great Britain.

I stand by everything I've stated about Lincoln, "lost cause" or no "lost cause".


164 posted on 07/08/2006 9:44:23 AM PDT by colonel mosby
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To: MNJohnnie

For a concise study of Abraham Lincoln's many tax impositions, I recommend:

Blueprint For Modern America: Non-Military Legislation of the First Civil War, by Leonard P. Curry, Vanderbilt University Press, 1968.


207 posted on 07/08/2006 10:03:08 AM PDT by colonel mosby
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