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Bush Losing the Immigration Debate
War to Mobilize Democracy, LLC ^ | May 13, 2006 | Andrew L. Jaffee

Posted on 05/13/2006 12:56:02 PM PDT by forty_years

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To: forty_years; Kimberly GG
We need to make it very painful for employers who hire illegals.

This is key-rather than call Bush, Jorge, and trash him without hearing his updated proposal (It must be updated, or else he wouldnt be having a primetime Oval Office speech)going after the industries that bring them in would be a good start. The city I live in hired a contractor for a bikepath that hired illegals to do the landscaping. My phone conversation with the guy who accepts bid proposals for city work did not go well. He actually said the bids from legal landscapers werent, and I quote, "cost effective"..

41 posted on 05/13/2006 1:50:21 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Kerry-Mcarthy in 2008!)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
Bush is from Connecticut.

He was born in Connecticut, but spent 58 of his 59 years in Texas.

He's a Texan.

42 posted on 05/13/2006 1:50:46 PM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: pabianice
If Bush doesn't shape up, Repubs will stay home in November, a Dem House will impeach Bush in 2007, and the circus will REALLY come to town.

Do you need a cigarette after that orgasm?

43 posted on 05/13/2006 1:50:55 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Lurker

Think of this they aren't even paying the penalties, such as they are, for the first offense let alone second...bottom line is laws are not being enforced at all.

Laws are not being enforced to go after and collect back taxes from the employers employing these invaders who pay these people under the table.

I see that lately the biggest companies that appear to be hiring and doing it right out in the open are CONSTRUCTION companies!



44 posted on 05/13/2006 1:51:14 PM PDT by stopem (America is NOT Fox's employment agency!! Butt out Vincente.)
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To: cardinal4

Cost effective? Than maybe the IRS would like to know just how cost effective it was!


45 posted on 05/13/2006 1:52:50 PM PDT by stopem (America is NOT Fox's employment agency!! Butt out Vincente.)
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To: stopem
I see that lately the biggest companies that appear to be hiring and doing it right out in the open are CONSTRUCTION companies!

See my above post-city government is even getting in the game..

46 posted on 05/13/2006 1:53:07 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Kerry-Mcarthy in 2008!)
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To: RodgerD
Will a fully merged USA-Mexico give you the result you want?

That is a conspiracy canard.

47 posted on 05/13/2006 1:54:19 PM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: sinkspur
On the immigration issue, Bush is from Connecticut.
48 posted on 05/13/2006 1:58:24 PM PDT by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: forty_years
We should enforce the laws currently on the books including this one in U. S. Code 1325:

Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

49 posted on 05/13/2006 2:00:50 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
"68% believe we where better off before Bush? I don't buy it."

you have to remember that we had a lot of problems (i.e. War on Terror) that no one paid any attention to until Bush became president. Also, I don't believe there has been a President in history (other than Nixon perhaps) that MSM went after with such a vengeance.
50 posted on 05/13/2006 2:01:00 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: sinkspur
You're right, we'll still have separate soccer teams, like England and Scotland do.

It's just with the little things, like population, economy, crime, corruption, and chaos where we'll be completely intertwined.

51 posted on 05/13/2006 2:01:17 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: RodgerD

Not a chance.


52 posted on 05/13/2006 2:02:26 PM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: sinkspur

"58 of his 59 years in Texas"

Hmmm, GWB was born in Connecticut, attended Phillips-Andover Academy in MA and attended Yale University. Tell us...how did he do all that in just one year?

GWB is no Texan.


53 posted on 05/13/2006 2:08:34 PM PDT by politicalwit (Freedom doesn't mean a Free Pass.)
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To: Texasforever
The folks at You Don't Speak For Me don't seem to feel that way.

L

54 posted on 05/13/2006 2:08:48 PM PDT by Lurker (50% of the country is not fit to run a convenience store.)
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To: forty_years
Illegal and legal IMMIGRANTS are NOW or will be DEMOCRATS..

Is anybody SANE HERE?.. The last thing America NEEDS is one more democrat..

HELLO?.. SLAP SLAP.. America wake up...

55 posted on 05/13/2006 2:09:12 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: stopem

I called a buddy who works for ICE here in STL and gave him the name of the contractor-Brickman Lawnscapes..


56 posted on 05/13/2006 2:10:11 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Kerry-Mcarthy in 2008!)
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To: Texasforever

Amen you pegged it right on. People like George Bush, Jeb Bush and many Republican Senators realize this also. The glory of the Senate is because of the terms they have they can take a long term perspective. We have to have a large amount of the Hispanic vote in the future to be a viable party period. Many of these illegals have been here for 20 or more years have American families and so on. These people will vote. Also calling American citizens "Anchor babies" and making further degrading comments about them because of accidents of birth isnt going to be a great draw to the GOP. THe marketing and listening to the Hispanic community by the House memebers has been horrid.

It seems there is a logic to this by the "deport them all crowd". It appears to me that many wish to you use this as a issue in 2006 and really in 2008. THe theory is that the so many people will come to the Republican party, that victory is assured. I have major doubts about this and in fact think it will have the opposite effect. In Virgina when the GOP canidiate for Gov used this in the 11th hour it failed big time. IN fact, some folks think it cost him the election. Sen Santorum I believe is a pretty hard liner on the illegal immigration issue. Well, I see that his stance is helping him big time in his race (sarc).

Whats ironic is that the majority of Mexican AMericans feel illegal immigration is a mjor problem. There is some diversity there in that community how to handle the problem. THe GOP and conservatives need to listen. This is a group that the GOP can rely on for future votes in the future.


57 posted on 05/13/2006 2:13:25 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Lurker

Yes I would expect them to say that and I am glad. I have been around and lived amongst Hispanics all of my life and the vast majority have been decent law abiding folks. I am just saying that human nature tends towards tribalism and if they see people like themselves rounded up or mistreated they will naturally have some second thoughts. I would also be very interested in how many members of that group come from families that were the beneficiary of Reagan's 1986 amnesty.


58 posted on 05/13/2006 2:15:39 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: politicalwit
GWB is no Texan.

We Texans consider him a Texan. You don't have a say in the matter.

59 posted on 05/13/2006 2:15:48 PM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: catholicfreeper

It cost Pete Williams the governorship on California.


60 posted on 05/13/2006 2:16:49 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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