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What REALLY is driving up oil prices.
4/26/06 | self

Posted on 04/26/2006 6:35:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

Okay, I have seen a LOT of threads claiming that oil companies aren't really making that much on each gallon of gasoline.

Oh, really? (blink, blink) Then explain the record profits by the oil companies.

Why sure. First, US oil companies don't import all of their oil. In fact several companies actually import very little. Where do they get it? Why, from wells on private and federal land that they drilled on years and years ago. What is the extraction cost to get it out of these wells? You can be darned sure that it is nowhere near $75 a barrel. In fact, I read that it is somewhere around $7 to $15 a barrel. Add to this cost a small royalty that they pay the federal government or private land owner and refining and transportation cost and you come up with maybe $25 a barrel.

Now, mix in the oil they bought 3 or 4 months ago at $52 a barrel that is just now coming to the refinery and you have an average of between $25 and $40 a barrel.

So what we have is huge profits at the expense of the consumer. How long will it last? The prices will start to drop once they feel they are starting to harm the economy. Congress and the media and the consumers stop bothering them and they look for the next opportunity to do it all over again.


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KEYWORDS: collusion; energy; gaspost; gasprices; greed; monopolies; oil; petroleum; refinery
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To: voteconstitutionparty
It's not all supply and demand.

The increase in oil price is many times what the increase in oil demand has been.

It is supply and demand. Just because you don't understand economics doesn't mean it isn't true.

Demand is not the amount consumed. It is a curve of how much consumers are willing to buy at different prices.

161 posted on 04/26/2006 8:36:03 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Iscool
If the seller hasn't been increasing the price at the pump how is he going to have the money to pay for the new supply?

You understand. Congrats

162 posted on 04/26/2006 8:36:18 PM PDT by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: f zero

Actually, Iraq had been out of OPEC for many years.

It was gotten back into OPEC, as soon as the Saddam statues started to fall.


163 posted on 04/26/2006 8:37:21 PM PDT by voteconstitutionparty
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To: danmar
Now can anybody lecture me what happened between June 22nd and June 25th?

Do you know what LIFO means? FIFO? Go Google it, learn it and then come back. I suppose that if you owned a refined commodity and the price of it skyrocketed you would gladly sell it for the pre sky-rocket price. Well it sure would be nice to buy all my gasoline from danmar.

BTW, when oil gets cheap again, as it most certainly will, I'll be looking for your post about how those poor oil companies can make any money at these prices.

164 posted on 04/26/2006 8:38:51 PM PDT by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: PunkBuster

How did you manage to get a sign-up date that is tomorrow's date: 4/27/06? Are you trapped in a time warp in the Romulon galaxy?


165 posted on 04/26/2006 8:38:52 PM PDT by carl in alaska ("You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed." - Mt 24:4)
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To: PunkBuster

Have you shared them or did I miss it?


167 posted on 04/26/2006 8:39:06 PM PDT by listenhillary (The original Contract with America - The U.S. Constitution)
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To: PunkBuster
The "free market" crowd is forgetting that the oil and gas prices are not driven by the free market. They are influenced somewhat. but not driven. They cannot be driven because the oil and gas industry does not exist in a free market mode.

All I know is that alternative energy sources are light years away from being available and cost effective at the moment. Some of us drive older vehicles, and with the added costs of getting to the store and to the doctor, who can save for one of these hybrids, even if we wanted one? Mine is a 4 cylinder, and we quit using the Explorer 18 months ago!

You bet it's not a free market mode, but it gets so bloody confusing, that I hate to comment. Pass the diaper wipes, and the grocery money for next week...

168 posted on 04/26/2006 8:40:01 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (I care for my pets better than Vincente Fox cares for his own citizens)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It's called supply and demand. Cost of product has nothing to do with it.
What goes around comes around also.
In capitalism; higher prices will bring greater supplies and work to reduce demand somewhat.
Prices will come down again. I just hope that we get serious about alternatives before we have $25/barrel oil again. It's more than the cost; it's who we are buying this stuff from. We are enriching our enemies.
169 posted on 04/26/2006 8:40:28 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: John Valentine
because if you won't pay, someone in Poland or Japan will,

If my memory serves me right, the Countries you have mentioned been around for some time. Are you telling me that those countries have changed their habit overnight?

170 posted on 04/26/2006 8:40:42 PM PDT by danmar ("Reason obeys itself,and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it....... Thomas Paine)
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To: danmar
What I am asking is why all of a sudden dramatic jump in the gasoline prices for no apparent reason?

Does this graph help? Changes in enviromental regulations including ethanol caused refineries to shut down to make adjustments to the process. This happens every spring but combined with ethanol replacing MTBE requirements was a disaster.


171 posted on 04/26/2006 8:40:57 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: E=MC<sup>2</sup>
Are you willing to take a smaller salary or sell whatever you produce for less within America if you could get more internationally?

I may be the odd one in the bunch but I'll say yes to that question...

When I go to the gas station, I feel as though they are holding a gun to my head when I pay them, because I'm certainly not doing it willingly...

The CEO gets a bonus of almost a half a billion dollars...There is no person on the face of the earth that is worth anywher near that much money...They are just squandering the money they basically robbed from me and millions of other Americans...

So how does this work??? Do the speculators actually bid on the crude like at an auction??? The Arabs sound like they control the price of crude...I read yesterday that the Saudi's don't want the oil to go below 60 dollars a barrel???

172 posted on 04/26/2006 8:41:02 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the whole trailer park...)
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To: groanup
It's enough of a problem when Americans suffer from a tragic level of ignorance on issues of basic economics due to generations of state-run education. It's even more tragic when politicians pander to that ignorance for political gain."

And I'll add, it's even more tragic when Freepers, who should know better, join the whiners.

AMEN.

173 posted on 04/26/2006 8:41:17 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Dog Gone
Ok Now tell me what I just posted , that is not part of the wholesale side and retail side gasoline marketing. Educate me. I'm always willing to learn. I also am willing to be proved wrong when some one came enlighten me. I'm serious.
174 posted on 04/26/2006 8:42:55 PM PDT by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: PunkBuster
"They cannot be driven because the oil and gas industry does not exist in a free market mode."

The oil & gas industry is primarily driven by the free market forces of supply and demand. Governmnent taxation, regulation, tariffs, and limits on exploration interfere with free market forces in some ways and impede free market forces. But it's basically a world-wide free market system, with one big exception: OPEC is a foreign cartel that restricts output to maintain higher prices. Right now OPEC has very little excess capacity so the cartel is not having any significant effect on prices, but they did cause higher prices 3-5 years ago.

175 posted on 04/26/2006 8:43:44 PM PDT by carl in alaska ("You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed." - Mt 24:4)
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To: danmar

Are you really that silly? There are myraid forces at work that all affect prices. Underlying it all, and the reason why gas prices have been trending up over years is exactly that these countries ARE changing their habits.

China, Indonesia, Thailand, Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Brazil, Argentina, India; go anywhere and find the same thing, an explosion of automobiles. My friend, you are standing in a very long line of gas buyers, and you had better get used to being outbid.


177 posted on 04/26/2006 8:45:42 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: danmar

Tomorrow. I have to go to work tomorrow in hopes of increasing the supply of oil.


178 posted on 04/26/2006 8:47:11 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: fedupjohn

Way past my bedtime. I'll try to respond in the morning.


179 posted on 04/26/2006 8:48:53 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: thackney

"don't understand economics"?

Ha!

How about simple math?

If the price is up many times what the demand is that equals market manipulation, and price fixing.

On the other hand if "Demand is not the amount consumed", then the "curve of how much consumers are willing to buy at different prices" must be a measure of how badly you can swindle consumers before they lynch you.


180 posted on 04/26/2006 8:48:55 PM PDT by voteconstitutionparty
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