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U.S. near deal with China on illegals (39,000 to be deported to Red China)
The Washington Times ^ | April 5, 2006 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 04/11/2006 7:12:26 PM PDT by Chi-townChief

The Department of Homeland Security is near an agreement with China to return up to 39,000 Chinese illegally living in the U.S. to the communist country, which previously had refused to accept deportations. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff yesterday said the tentative agreement, which would let the U.S. deport Chinese illegals as they are arrested, will act as a deterrent to other foreign nationals contemplating illegal immigration. "We can't be in the position any longer where we are paying the burden and bearing the burden for countries that won't cooperate with us and take their own citizens back," said Mr. Chertoff as he completed a weeklong tour of China, Japan and Singapore to discuss security and immigration issues. Mr. Chertoff said nearly 700 Chinese nationals held in U.S. detention centers are clogging the system and that more than 38,000 have been released on bond after spending the maximum 180 days in lockup.

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KEYWORDS: china; deportation; illegalaliens; immigration
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Haven't seen this posted here but it kinda sucks, doesn't it?
1 posted on 04/11/2006 7:12:29 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

Elian Gonzales x 39,000 and even Elian didn't face prison at the other end of the trip.


2 posted on 04/11/2006 7:14:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: cripplecreek
Elian Gonzales x 39,000 and even Elian didn't face prison at the other end of the trip.

No, just a re-education camp that turned Elian into a leftist fascist for Castro along the lines of the Hitler Youth.

3 posted on 04/11/2006 7:16:48 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Chi-townChief
What part of ILLEGAL IMMEGRANT is difficult to understand? If they want to come to America, have them get in line and fill in the right paper work. I only wish we would start sending back about 15 million ILLEGAL Mexicans, Guatemalans, South Americans,,
4 posted on 04/11/2006 7:16:50 PM PDT by Meadow Muffin
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To: cripplecreek

Elian's become Chinese?


5 posted on 04/11/2006 7:17:35 PM PDT by moog
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To: Chi-townChief
Most of these Chinese are not political refugees seeking asylum. They are simply here to make money (or spy on us).

They need to go back to China.

6 posted on 04/11/2006 7:18:42 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Kinda like what they do in Chinese prisons. At least the ones that don't get parted out for livers for rich folks.


7 posted on 04/11/2006 7:20:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Chi-townChief
The Department of Homeland Security is near an agreement with China to return up to 39,000 Chinese illegally living in the U.S. to the communist country, which previously had refused to accept deportations.

They certainly didn't have any problem taking back (and hiding) the hundred-some-odd Chinese that were subpoeoned to testify about the Clinton's fund raising activities.

8 posted on 04/11/2006 7:21:55 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Miss Marple

The ones who are doing the spying probably have green cards. Clinton made sure of that.


9 posted on 04/11/2006 7:22:08 PM PDT by Slump Tester ( What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Slump Tester
You have a point, which brings me to something I haven't discussed in a while.

In my midwestern suburban area, we have had a huge number of Chinese restaurants spring up over the last few years. Ten years ago there were 3 in a seven mile radius. Today there are almost 30.

These are not chain restaurants, but small, privately owned restaurants. How did these people get into the country, and how did they amass enough capital to open a restaurant?

10 posted on 04/11/2006 7:25:53 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Chi-townChief

Good riddens, if you wantback in do it right!
Ops4 God Bless America!


11 posted on 04/11/2006 7:26:14 PM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!)
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To: Chi-townChief
I see how it works. If you are from a Communist country, and you desire to assimilate into the USA. That is when we send you back. I am not concerned about the Chinese. I know they will being a good work ethic with them.

However, if you are Mexican, then you can stay. I cannot believe this is happening under a Republican President. I almost to the point of regretting that I voted for Bush. What a piss poor job this guy has done concerning illegal immigration, drilling, and Iran. I voted for him, but I almost regret it now..

The Republican party needs a serious shake up. They have no spine, and compromise their principles.
12 posted on 04/11/2006 7:28:55 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Chi-townChief
You know most illegal immigrants from Communist countries tend to be very pro American. They risk their lives to come here, and we send them back to that hell hole.

At the same time we take garbage from countries that are using us only for jobs. They do not want to learn our language, obey our laws, assimilate, etc.....

Unbelievable!
13 posted on 04/11/2006 7:32:11 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Chi-townChief

Haven't seen this posted here but it kinda sucks, doesn't it?



Yes it does.....the federal government has always shirked their duties! It's just a cop-out to make people think they're doing something to curb illegal immigrants.The truth is these Chinese people probably had a visa at one time and it just expired and the government could renew their visas...no problem.To make the administration look good(and they're not fooling anyone)they process 39,000 Chinese when there are 12 million illegal Mexican out there.These politians like Chertoff are a joke.Chinese people work harder than Mexican if you want to know the truth, besides this they use their brains.


Let's face the truth .....the Mexicans waded the river,but the chinese had to get a visa to get here damn-it!!


14 posted on 04/11/2006 7:34:25 PM PDT by bobwilgo
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To: Sprite518
I see how it works. If you are from a Communist country, and you desire to assimilate into the USA. That is when we send you back. I am not concerned about the Chinese. I know they will being a good work ethic with them.

The legal Chinese community will assume responsibility for the immigrants too.

15 posted on 04/11/2006 7:40:19 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Chi-townChief
Why don't we offer them a million Mexicans instead? The Chinese could get their Olympic facilities built in record time, and our welfare costs would go down.
16 posted on 04/11/2006 7:42:26 PM PDT by Ragnar54
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To: Chi-townChief
I have mixed emotions about sending the chinese back to red China. I have seen a lot of hard working and loyal immigrants from China, on the other hand, I have also seen some pretty nasty chinese gangs forming from these illegals.

I only wish that Homeland Security would be a bit more consistent and send illegal Russians, Mexicans, rug-riders and camel-jocks back as well.

17 posted on 04/11/2006 7:45:11 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: ncountylee

Well I have a hard time trying to send someone back to a communist country. Its not like they can travel freely.


18 posted on 04/11/2006 7:46:33 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

YOU said what I was thinking.....


19 posted on 04/11/2006 8:06:28 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: Miss Marple

These are not chain restaurants, but small, privately owned restaurants. How did these people get into the country, and how did they amass enough capital to open a restaurant?


OOPS!! I just thought Chertoff wasn't pulling the wool over everybody's eyes. Read post #14

How do Chinese people open restaurants??...#1..they get here on a visa..most are highly educated when they get here or they get their education in the states.#2 They work their ever loving ass off...the majority don't drink nor smoke like we do so that gives more money to the family and to their business endevor#3 They open a business(legally),pay taxes, raise their children to be obediant and assimilate to the culture of the nation they reside in.You will not see them rallying in the streets of American cities demanding rights that they are not entitled to.Mexican people generally despise them(from my personal witness...just thought I'd throw that in).The majority of the people will influence their children in the arts of society and they develope talent and are brilliant and become a success in business or arts.


The Chinese people would be a tribute to America.


20 posted on 04/11/2006 8:08:13 PM PDT by bobwilgo
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To: Chi-townChief

And how many Latinos/Mexicans have been rounded up and sent back?


21 posted on 04/11/2006 8:09:36 PM PDT by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: bobwilgo
They open a business(legally),pay taxes

BS! If you think they are reporting all their sales you are live in a drug induced haze!

22 posted on 04/11/2006 8:12:08 PM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: Chi-townChief

[We can't be in the position any longer where we are paying the burden and bearing the burden for countries that won't cooperate with us and take their own citizens back," said Mr. Chertoff]

The Chinese made the mistake of doing the jobs Americans want to do... So back home you go!


23 posted on 04/11/2006 8:14:31 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: Chi-townChief

39,000 new sets of body parts.


24 posted on 04/11/2006 8:21:40 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: Miss Marple

They amass capital by hard work and an average savings rate of about 20%. With their exploding middle class (it was close to 5% a decade or so ago, and now is over 20% of the population), they're smart enough to have the new doctor in the family (who attended a US college, and made contacts) save enough to send his cousin to America to open a restaurant. The family works it together, keeping costs minimal, and sells for $30 what they would sell at home for $3. His extended family lives in much greater comfort here, he has a good life there making American wages alongside China's cost of living, and now BOTH are making $50K every year... and STILL putting 20% away. Wait until next decade when they're buying the rental homes in the suburban areas for the full-time income PLUS the property value increases PLUS the principal.


25 posted on 04/11/2006 8:22:56 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Chi-townChief
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff yesterday said the tentative agreement, which would let the U.S. deport Chinese illegals as they are arrested, will act as a deterrent to other foreign nationals contemplating illegal immigration.

Yippee! The Chicoms have agreed to allow us to enforce our laws.

26 posted on 04/11/2006 8:25:12 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: Miss Marple
"How did these people get into the country, and how did they amass enough capital to open a restaurant?"

I dont' know how they get into the country. But I do know that it is almost impossible for a Russian woman to get a tourist visa to the U.S., because the U.S. assumes everyone trying to visit from certain countries will try to stay, unless they can prove they have enough interests in their home country to return.

So I suspect a number of them arrived here on valid visas that expired making them illegal.

As far as the capital, I don't know if an illegal can get this. But I heard one American cafe owner complaining about the new mexican restarant across the street. It seemed the government gave them a $50,000 grant to open their business and compete against him.

27 posted on 04/11/2006 8:30:44 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Chi-townChief
They apparently didn't do enough yard and house work for politicians. Expect to see lots of help wanted signs in your local Chinese Restaurants.
28 posted on 04/11/2006 8:32:10 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: Chi-townChief
"We can't be in the position any longer where we are paying the burden and bearing the burden for countries that won't cooperate with us and take their own citizens back,"

Tell that to Bush. Deporting a handful of Chinese is just a stunt to make the stupids think you are doing something. It's nothing compared to the millions of invaders you wish to reward.

29 posted on 04/11/2006 8:41:54 PM PDT by isrul
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To: sausageseller

BS! If you think they are reporting all their sales you are live in a drug induced haze!



And we do-good Americans all report what we earn doing business.Your in a drug overdose right now if you xepect anyone on this website to believe your self righteous bullsh*t,as a matter of fact don't post me again with your unintellient goofiness.Just don't say Nothing to me..NOMORE.


30 posted on 04/11/2006 8:44:26 PM PDT by bobwilgo
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To: Miss Marple

"These are not chain restaurants, but small, privately owned restaurants. How did these people get into the country, and how did they amass enough capital to open a restaurant?"

Well, not to get too paranoid or anything, but, restaurants have historically been great places to launder money or hide income from the IRS. Not saying that these people are doing this, but I know lots of places that are "cash only" businesses. Makes it easier to cook the books.


31 posted on 04/11/2006 9:21:28 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: Chi-townChief

Like hell! They give the Mexican illegals a pass and send these Chinese back to be persecuted? WTF is coming off with the fools in Washington?


32 posted on 04/11/2006 9:36:48 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis
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Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff yesterday said the tentative agreement, which would let the U.S. deport Chinese illegals as they are arrested, will act as a deterrent to other foreign nationals contemplating illegal immigration.

HA! HA! HA!

33 posted on 04/11/2006 9:37:33 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: DTogo

I'll bump that!! ;)


34 posted on 04/11/2006 9:39:00 PM PDT by teldon30 (Far right, elitist, sexist, cynical religious bigot and looter)
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To: Chi-townChief

Sucks how? The President of China's son was caught shipping AK's, pineapple grenades, and RPG's into the USofA. Who was he sending them to?

Several box cars ended up abandoned in Wats, where the locals made like K-Mart and took what they wanted. The word got out and this is how the shipments were traced back to the son.

Mexican illegals are not the only problem, all illegal immigration from anywhere is unwanted.


35 posted on 04/11/2006 9:41:39 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: teldon30

How do you say "HA! HA! HA!" in Spanish? ;)


36 posted on 04/11/2006 9:53:42 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: teldon30
There was a survey report in last weeks Economist on which countries population supports capitalism...China 1st, USA a close second and French surrender monkeys last.
37 posted on 04/11/2006 9:54:13 PM PDT by spokeshave (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than drive over a bridge with Ted Kennedy)
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To: khnyny
but, restaurants have historically been great places to launder money or hide income from the IRS.

Delphi currently pays its workers about $37 an hour in wages and $40 an hour in non taxable "benefits". Every business tries to "launder" money or hide income from the IRS.

38 posted on 04/11/2006 10:54:37 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Ragnar54

I think that is the perfect solution!!! It was solve everyone's problems! You're brilliant!


39 posted on 04/11/2006 10:57:26 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (libera nos a malo)
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To: Meadow Muffin

the point here is this ... how do you deport people back to their homeland when the country they came from won't let them back?

Obivously our Homeland security Dept is clued on the definition of illegal immigrant. They have 39,000 of them to send back to China.


40 posted on 04/11/2006 11:02:00 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Meadow Muffin

the point here is this ... how do you deport people back to their homeland when the country they came from won't let them back?

Obivously our Homeland security Dept is clued on the definition of illegal immigrant. They have 39,000 of them to send back to China.


41 posted on 04/11/2006 11:02:01 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: bobwilgo

Let me debunk the untruths here ...

"It's just a cop-out to make people think they're doing something to curb illegal immigrants."

A damned if you do, damned if you dont world.
At least give DHS credit for doing the right thing here.

"The truth is these Chinese people probably had a visa at one time and it just expired and the government could renew their visas."

If that is the case, then they would NOT be illegal aliens. Realityy is quite different here.

"..no problem.To make the administration look good(and they're not fooling anyone)they process 39,000 Chinese when there are 12 million illegal Mexican out there."

Uninformed comment ... millions of border crossers from mexico are stopped each year. in addition, the Chinese are coming in ships as stowaways.

"These politians like Chertoff are a joke.Chinese people work harder than Mexican if you want to know the truth, besides this they use their brains."

A bunch of racial-stereotype generalizations. That is the real joke.

"Let's face the truth .....the Mexicans waded the river,but the chinese had to get a visa to get here damn-it!!"

Another untruth: Many of the illegal aliens are 'visa overstayers', true, but thousands of Chinese have also come via boats or in the hold of container ships.


42 posted on 04/11/2006 11:08:52 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

"Like hell! They give the Mexican illegals a pass and send these Chinese back to be persecuted? WTF is coming off with the fools in Washington?"

So we are only supposed to enforce the laws against certain nationalities? You dont a problem with illegal immigrtion from China? Let me give you a hint: If we let in 10,000 illegal aliens from China, then 100 million will want to follow them.


43 posted on 04/11/2006 11:11:15 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Chi-townChief

I see way too many just-off-the-boat Asians to think that there are 'only' 39,000 here illegally.


44 posted on 04/12/2006 1:08:28 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Chi-townChief
Haven't seen this posted here but it kinda sucks, doesn't it?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1609438/posts

45 posted on 04/12/2006 2:50:40 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: bobwilgo
Oh I see, being HONEST is being "self righteous".

BTW If you do not want one to respond to your post, that is simply solved by not posting.
46 posted on 04/12/2006 4:51:19 AM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: WOSG
China, unlike Mexico does not encourage defectors, those people will be persecuted, if not prosecuted and imprisoned.
49 posted on 04/12/2006 10:58:52 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis
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Me:"So we are only supposed to enforce the laws against certain nationalities? You dont a problem with illegal immigrtion from China? Let me give you a hint: If we let in 10,000 illegal aliens from China, then 100 million will want to follow them."

You:"Problem is, you aren't doing that for Mexican immigrants. There are illegals from every country in the world in the US. Why is it that the vast majority of illegal immigrants in the US are Mexicans?"

Duh, it's obvious - we share a border with mexico that is 1800 miles long!!! Plenty of other countries would send *floods* of people - if they could get a way with it.

" You aren't enforcing the laws against Mexicans to the extent that you are for every other nationality, that's why."

Wrong. Acutally, we play 'catch and release' games with
countries other than mexico; when we catch mexicans, they are sent back over the border. You are wrong that enforcement favors mexico - proximity favors mexico.
you and I both know that we dont enforce immigration laws on the interior for *any* countries to the extent we should.

"12 million versus 39,000 is not an equivalency by any measure."

Actually its more like - 7 million illegal alien mexicans, 5 million illegal alien OTMs.
57% of illegal aliens are mexicans, 43% are other countries.
This story is about the fact that to end 'catch and release' which is a complete hole in immigration law enforcement, we need to have bilateral agreements with other countries.
That includes China.

If you think these people need asylum because they might get persecuted if returned to China, that's a whole other subject.

"Only misguided liberals would argue that they are equal."

Only misguided liberals would stoop to ad hominem when facts suffice.

Rove solution on immigration:
- border security
- tools to enforce the immigration law in the interior
- better job of assimilation, by having citizens learn english and share in the values and principles of the country
- temporary worker program


50 posted on 04/12/2006 10:16:50 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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