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And the Libs in Oregon are worried about President Bush listening in on Terrorist's cell phone calls!!!!???? :-/
1 posted on 03/26/2006 5:10:29 AM PST by runvus
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All that encouragement to buy fuel-efficient vehicles leads to this! I guess it is a variant of the Law of Unintended Consequences.


2 posted on 03/26/2006 5:12:43 AM PST by Pusterfuss (Proud member: Minnesotans for Global Warming)
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With the added benefit the state gets to track you everywhere you go.


3 posted on 03/26/2006 5:13:39 AM PST by DManA
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The test program uses a global positioning system to track miles driven, using a black box to calculate how many miles are clocked in-state, out of state and during rush hour.

How long before someone figured how to take this off the car & leave it in the garage...while they drove around town?

5 posted on 03/26/2006 5:16:37 AM PST by Troublemaker
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Portland has a nice little racket going. They severely restrict land use by prohibiting the building of intown high-density housing, forcing new residents to live farther and farther from the city, then penalize those same residents for living so far away. Nice job, leftists.


6 posted on 03/26/2006 5:16:52 AM PST by Hoodat ( Silly Dems, AYBABTU.)
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The experiment is designed to increase state revenue for road maintenance without raising gasoline taxes, but critics say collecting GPS records poses new privacy issues.

The privacy issue put aside for the moment, this is a simple and pure tax increase.

Once the state starts tracking who drives what miles, heavy use vehicles like truckers will be taxed at a higher rate, which will drive up costs to transport goods and services.

A hidden tax that will be passed onto consumers

7 posted on 03/26/2006 5:17:34 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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I take it that the Hummer and the Honda Prius will be paying the same tax for miles driven even though one pollutes 8 times more than the other? Silly Dems.


9 posted on 03/26/2006 5:19:08 AM PST by Hoodat ( Silly Dems, AYBABTU.)
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Enforcement raises so many questions. They would have to get into issues of blocking the GPS rcvr in order to conceal how many miles are driven. That leads to questions on parking the car in a garage or under a carport, trees etc.

Next comes inspections of one's home by ODOT, to prove that one has a garage. ODOT would then have to look at driving patterns and history for evidence of fraud.

I can see the enforcement of this tax procedure getting to be very expensive and entrusive. Far better to keep the simple consumption tax.


10 posted on 03/26/2006 5:22:03 AM PST by jimtorr
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" If the state promotes reducing gasoline consumption and consumers tend to buy the fuel-efficient vehicles, including hybrids, highway revenues would take a hit.

And, if there is a reduction in the price of household goods (such as appliances), sales tax revenues will fall. So Oregon will probably begin tracking, and taxing, based on how many loads of wash you run or how many times you use the blender or coffee pot.

14 posted on 03/26/2006 5:26:03 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet
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The test program uses a global positioning system to track miles driven, using a black box to calculate how many miles are clocked in-state, out of state and during rush hour.

Officials can then use real-time GPS to watch drivers fleeing the state for good.

17 posted on 03/26/2006 5:28:39 AM PST by 6SJ7
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I bet after they put it on they send you an installation fee, and charge you for the box.


19 posted on 03/26/2006 5:31:15 AM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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This is BS to the max. But then, no one ever accused libs of being smart.

Their claim is that miles driven causes wear and tear on the roads, but that the smaller cars are driven more miles per gallon and therefore are tearing up the roads more without paying higher taxes at the pump. Well this is purely stupid-lib-think.

Smaller vehicles cause far less damage per mile that a heavy truck. In fact, if a road is well designed and well installed, even a medium sized car will do virutally no damage to the road. Poor road design, poor materials, poor installation, extreme weather, salt, plows, and heavy trucks with poor suspension do FAR, FAR more damage to roads than most passenger vehicles.

Look at well designed and built airport runways and tarmacs. They don't crumble under the weight of an 910,000 lb fueled 747. When was the last time you saw potholes being filled on a commercial runway?

If they want to tax miles driven on the poor suckers of Oregon, then just include a declaration of miles driven on their annual state income tax. They will still be idiots, though.


20 posted on 03/26/2006 5:32:29 AM PST by HighWheeler (The liberal dinosaurs bellow defiantly while sinking deeper into the swamp.......)
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Take note. This will happen everywhere that liberals get into power.


21 posted on 03/26/2006 5:32:47 AM PST by BooksForTheRight.com (what have you done today to fight terrorism/leftism (same thing!))
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The voters in Oregon are such idiots. No one else in their state elected such jerks.

If the voters are not responsible, then why vote?

23 posted on 03/26/2006 5:35:02 AM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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Stupid question, I know, but why don't they just raise the gas tax?

This will cost millions (if not more) to implement. Compliance will have to be enforced, lawsuits will have to be defended. Older cars will have to be retrofitted with the devices --and you can bet that folks who can barely afford to put tires on their "hoopty" are going to scream pretty loud at the cost of installing a GPS tracking device.

What a harebrained scheme. It won't go anywhere. Then again. . .

28 posted on 03/26/2006 5:56:39 AM PST by Drew68
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The test program uses a global positioning system to track miles driven, using a black box to calculate how many miles are clocked in-state, out of state and during rush hour.

A black box in every car, and a massively expensive computer system to track and consolidate the data. How much would that cost?
31 posted on 03/26/2006 5:59:41 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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Libs judge others by their actions and they judge themselves by thier intentions..............

Do as I say, not as I do!


32 posted on 03/26/2006 6:01:47 AM PST by runvus (RUNVUS)
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I think of it as a tax break for gas guzzling. A Republican would never have dared to suggest it.
37 posted on 03/26/2006 6:05:25 AM PST by Physicist
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Oregon may wake up soon and realize people hate the elitists imposition of a socialist dictatorship on the state. There are signs everywhere that the real estate bubble is leaking rapidly. There are three major apartment developments near Raleigh Hills where all building was halted about two months ago. Also, a brand new 'condo' development stands completely vacant. Even after the owners posted 'for rent' signs in front of the structure. Completely unoccupied. Looks abandoned to me. Wonder what casualty insurers think about that situation? Abandoned buildings are a huge risk. There will be a huge exodus to greener pastures. Exit Ore-gun, stage right. Get on yer ponies and ride!
43 posted on 03/26/2006 6:07:25 AM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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And the Libs in Oregon are worried about President Bush listening in on Terrorist's cell phone calls!!!!???? :-/

The liberals are sacrificing privacy for the environment.

President Bush is sacrificing privacy for some made-up terrorist threat.

Once again, liberals demonstrate their priorities.

44 posted on 03/26/2006 6:07:45 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Many women will support Hillary based solely on her gender -- and it will be praised by the MSM.)
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"Gas tax on miles, not gallons, tested PORTLAND"

What a brilliant idea! These guys are so creative. High five one another for a job well done.

It pains me to think I will probably never reach this level of intelligence.


45 posted on 03/26/2006 6:07:45 AM PST by servantboy777
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