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Rabbi Shmueley Boteach discusses the perils of modern dating and marriage. Men want the supermodel perfect mate. A dream woman who is a physical "10" in attribute and looks. With the Bo Derek fixation, women who don't measure up to men's expectations in a woman lose out. Its not a woman's brains, personality or character that interest men. Its what she has to offer on the outside. Men who are as shallow as the bimbos they're attracted to. Its true Boteach talks about Jewish dating here but don't be put off by it; the lesson is a universal one.

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1 posted on 03/18/2006 7:03:06 PM PST by goldstategop
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Marking for later viewing of pictures....


2 posted on 03/18/2006 7:04:27 PM PST by King Moonracer
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To: goldstategop

That last paragraph is great. And it should apply to the Jew AND Gentile.

Thanks for the thread!


4 posted on 03/18/2006 7:07:49 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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Typical man-hating garbage article. Naturally, you couldn't publish a woman-hating diatribe like this without the world coming down on you.

But no problem calling all men shallow. That's cool.


5 posted on 03/18/2006 7:10:43 PM PST by Dog Gone
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7 posted on 03/18/2006 7:13:17 PM PST by SIDENET (Gonna shake it, gonna break it, let's forget it better still)
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The comments are good, except for one thing.

Young men can be coached to do the right thing, but young men cannot make young women make the right choices. Today's women are being sold a bill of goods by the media elites, that no young man can combat.

Try telling a young woman her breasts are heavenly and she doesn't need augmentation. She'll tell you your full of it and go ahead with her plans.

Take a look at what young women are signing off on these days. Where in the past people urged them to do things that weren't right, today's women have minds of their own, and most guys are powerless to tell them anything.

I've experienced some of this myself over the years.


8 posted on 03/18/2006 7:14:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: goldstategop

"no matter how beautiful she is, someone, somewhere, wishes she'd never been born."


12 posted on 03/18/2006 7:18:42 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (...a capitalist.)
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"Supermodels" are often quite grotty. Along with a lot of other female celebs out there.


15 posted on 03/18/2006 7:20:24 PM PST by dr_who_2
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A 'what I've been trying to tell you and don't give me the same old song and dance in response because I won't listen' ping

Miss you!


22 posted on 03/18/2006 7:28:03 PM PST by andie74
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Men want the supermodel perfect mate. A dream woman who is a physical "10" in attribute and looks. With the Bo Derek fixation, women who don't measure up to men's expectations in a woman lose out. Its not a woman's brains, personality or character that interest men.

I don't think this is true. Rather, I believe it is the opposite that is more accurate. Generally speaking, it is women, not men, that are more concerned with finding the perfect "10".

Most guys are happy dating an "average looking" woman as long as she puts out a lot and makes an effort to please him.

The idea that all men want a perfect "10" is nothing more than propaganda from men-hating feminists. Most women are more than happy to accept the propaganda since it helps with their "self esteem". After all, it's easier to justify a $5000 boob job when "all men are pigs" (fiction) instead of "I'm a self-centered superficial gold digger planning to use my bigger tits to land a guy that is a "10" with money" (reality).

25 posted on 03/18/2006 7:30:35 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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Ya all go to the nearest mall or other place with lots of people. Take notice of just how few women in the crowds actually look like supermodels. Darn few. If 50% of us are men and 50% are women and only 1% of them are supermodel material, well, you fill in the blanks. And BTW, most of the men aren't hunks either.

I actually prefer women who are attractive, yet not supermodel material.


26 posted on 03/18/2006 7:31:09 PM PST by umgud (gitrdun)
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GREEN WITH ENVY ALERT!


27 posted on 03/18/2006 7:32:05 PM PST by D.P.Roberts
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If more women would stop grazing a McDonald's and stuffing Frappacinnos down their throats, maybe more men would mate for life.

Problem is simple... who wants to raise their child alone because their wife died young, had a stroke, has diabetes, or any other number of maladies because lack of care.

I am sure the same can be said for fat ass men.
29 posted on 03/18/2006 7:33:18 PM PST by Porterville (Sure are a lot of these few Muslim Extremist Fanatics)
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If only I could clone myself...then all manly men would be happy.


37 posted on 03/18/2006 7:37:15 PM PST by Feiny (If you smoke after sex, you are doing it too fast.)
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Sorry, but that article is completely nuts.

NEVER believed that I would witness a time when even marriage-minded, Orthodox men would become womanizers, giving themselves the latitude to date as many women as possible so that they can find "the best." In yeshiva I was taught one did not date a woman the way one shopped for a car. Rather, you focused on one woman completely and tried to develop a soulful connection with her without worrying about what else might be out there.

Sure, I guess we are supposed to just accept the first woman we run into, ....and her big ass? I don't think so!

Men are not looking for a dream-woman, just someone who doesn't come with their own zip-code, who can cook, knows when to shut up, and a few other things. Women no longer think that most of that is necessary anymore, so they can just marry Oprah.

38 posted on 03/18/2006 7:37:21 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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As found on inpassing.org:
Let's face it, guys are hardwired to want one thing in a mate: LOOKS.

And women are hardwired to want one thing too: STATUS.

Both sexes of the human race suck. All people suck! "Misfortune comes from having a body" as Lao Tzu said. Not that it matters anyway, cause we're all dying at the rate of one second per second, and in the end it's all for nothing because these tremendous big brains full of dreams and wishes become worm food, and we are released from selfhood into oblivion.
                                            --"Tucker"
And this exchange...

Martian Anthropologist:
Men are scum. It's in the genes. It may be a lot harder for a man to find a girlfriend than it is for a woman to find herself a boyfriend, but it's also a lot harder for a woman to find a *good* boyfriend than it is for a man to find a good girlfriend. The only hope a woman has is finding a man who knows enough about evolutionary psychology to despise his own genetic programming.

David.:
*Sigh.* You know why [many] men are scum, Martian Anthropologist? Because [many] women, despite all their whinging and griping about how they want a caring, honest and loyal guy, tend to go for the bright plumage and aggressive display--leaving Mister S.N.A.G. [Sensitive New Age Guy] to sit at home on a Friday night watching Law & Order: SVU. After enough repeat episodes, Mr. S.N.A.G. finally ups and decides there's no percentage in it, and starts acting like all the jerks who're actually getting some.

Bitter, me? No, not really. Why do you ask?

lurkereh?:
And I agree, David, men are told that being sweet and nice is the way to go and for some reason women keep going for the guy who is a jerk. I think it is the challange, just like most men try to end up with women who are model material.




Thoughts?

39 posted on 03/18/2006 7:38:05 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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The good Rabbi is right on the target. His only sins (in this article) are sins of ommission. I would be very surprised if this dominance of superficial dating criteria was solely a male attribute. Just as surely as this phenomenon exists outside the Jewish community, it exists in females as well as males.

This is a particularly American problem, and a particularly 21st century American problem at that. I don't know what the answer is, but the problem is more than evident.


44 posted on 03/18/2006 7:41:36 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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RWOS ping


47 posted on 03/18/2006 7:42:47 PM PST by Feiny (If you smoke after sex, you are doing it too fast.)
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But I now find matchmaking nauseating thanks to the dispiriting superficiality of today's Jewish men. I now know that the countless men who tell me how desperate they are to find a really nice girl are lying through their teeth because what they really mean is a woman who looks like a model.

The same thing can easily be said for women, though to be fair they place much more value on money and less on looks, relative to men.

55 posted on 03/18/2006 7:51:01 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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The sad thing is there are plenty of women who have the same attitude. They want a guy who has the body of a Chippendale and anyone less is shunned.
60 posted on 03/18/2006 7:55:18 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Real Leaders Base Their Decisions on Their Convictions. Wannabes Base Decisions on the Latest Poll.)
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REAL Women ie not a "boyish Ann Coulter" body:


64 posted on 03/18/2006 7:59:06 PM PST by Clemenza (Seattle: The Pesto of Cities --- George Costanza)
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