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Teacher defends "Santa" remarks (Full, unedited statement)
Lebanon Daily News ^ | 12/23/05 | Theresa R. Farrisi

Posted on 12/26/2005 8:11:14 AM PST by Conservatrix

To the Editor:

"Last week I substituted at a local elementary school in Lebanon County. The lesson plan required me to read the 1882 poem “The Night Before Christmas” by Clement Clarke Moore to two classes of students. While I can appreciate the poem for its literary value, the subject matter is offensive to me, and the reading of this poem to the children imposed values upon me which are against my deeply held religious beliefs. I could not in good conscience present the notion of Santa Claus as a truth to the children, and stated so.

No public school teacher should be required to teach a belief, or custom, or religion that he or she believes to be false, or be required to pass those purported falsehoods onto impressionable children, without the right to state a disclaimer. Furthermore, freedom of speech and religion, no matter how unpopular the speech or against cultural norms the religion, are protected rights under the Constitution of the United States. A secular public school should not be propagating any kind of religion. The belief in Santa Claus as a divine, magical, omniscient, powerful, giving, loving father-figure, to which children are taught to make supplications and requests, is a religion indeed-- a distorted substitute for the Judeo-Christian God; a false form of Christianity; a zealously-protected American idol.

In presenting the poem, I gave the children quick historical background about the Santa Claus myth-- its evolution from the historic Nickolaus, Bishop of Myrna in Asia Minor, who died in 343 A.D., to its amalgamation with ancient Western pagan traditions of German, Scandinavian and Dutch origins, to the current manifestation in the secular Christmas culture of today. (Dutch children, for example, would put their wooden shoes out at night for “Sante Klaus” to fill with candies.)

The current Santa Claus figure was popularized in the late 19th Century by artist Thomas Nast of Harper’s Weekly Magazine, who depicted “Saint Nick,” not as an elf, but a rotund, pipe-smoking man in a red and white suit. This is the deity to which countless public school children today are taught to make supplications, and about whom they sing their many songs at annual public school Christmas programs.

If people are upset about the revelation to children that Santa Claus is a myth-- which all children who are taught this lie find or figure out eventually-- perhaps it is because Santa is that zealously-guarded idol of their own modern religion. Therefore, as a religion, let Santa be kept out of the public school classroom (no more “Dear Santa” letters to line those school hallways)--or perhaps, in the interest of “diversity,” make his mythical, oversized personage share equal representation in literature, and song, and Christmas programs, with the other Person of the season: the Lord Jesus Christ, God made flesh, God with us."


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Much of the above letter as it appeared in the Lebanon Daily News was edited. This is the subsequent letter in response:

"Thank you very much for demonstrating your paper’s low level of journalistic integrity in today’s reporting of the “Santa Controversy.” I was misquoted in both ofyour articles, and much of what I had to say--including the main points of the interview I agreed to give to your reporter, Mr. Schuler, were omitted entirely. Perhaps these qualities is why your circulation is so low, why free papers show up at my door all the time, as well why I get frequent nuisance calls from your telemarketers wanting me to subscribe to your three-page paper. You really do need to give it away.

I never said in my telephone interviews with Mr. Schuyler that I want everyone to “agree with” my beliefs about teaching, or not teaching, Santa Claus to children. What I said, as I stated in my letter to the editor and evidently need to clarify further, was that 1) what public school is doing by promoting Santa Claus is promoting a form of religion; that 2) religion should not be promoted in public school; 3) a teacher should not be required to promote a religion in public school; and 4) the lesson plan requiring me to promote Santa Claus was imposing religion on me, not the other way around. I certainly am not responsible for, or interested in, making people believe as I do about anything, for that is definitely not my job.

Leonard Martin, a friend of mine, is without a doubt the gentlest, humblest, meekest man I know, a devout Christian who practices his belief in God with the highest integrity. He does not believe in violence or retribution or “revenge.” Mr. Martin never used the phrase “a form of revenge” in speaking to Mr.Schuler, and yet he was represented as saying this or believing in this.

You neglected to include my entire statements about freedom of speech and religion. Don’t you like the Constitution? It read: “Furthermore, freedom of speech and religion, no matter how unpopular the speech or against cultural norms the religion, are protected rights under the Constitution of the United States.” I also said, in full: that belief in Santa is “ a distorted substitute for the Judeo-Christian God; a false form of Christianity; a zealously-protected American idol.” I also said, without edit, “If people are upset about the revelation to children that Santa Claus is a myth-- which all children who are taught this lie find or figure out eventually-- perhaps it is because Santa is that zealously-guarded idol of their own modern religion.” This statment only makes sense if you include the phrases you omitted.

I spoke in trust with Mr. Schuler, who told me the article was to be a front-page story showing Leonard Martin’s sign, and that the inclusion of my involvement at the school was to be a small part of that story. It was under those terms that I agreed to be interviewed. Instead, your editors put me on the front page- rather negatively, in fact-- and Mr. Martin’s sign, small and off to the bottom, on page five. I would never have agreed to speak to this reporter at all, had I known that your paper would distort both my words and its intentions about the use of my words. Evidently a lame front-page “contoversy” beats stating quotations and sentiments accurately and without bias. Is this how you think you will sell a few more papers?

I would wish you to print this letter in its entirety, but based on today’s experience, I highly doubt all my words will appear as I intend them to appear, which means all of my words, none deleted, without your “editing.” It might even make your paper bigger."

1 posted on 12/26/2005 8:11:17 AM PST by Conservatrix
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To: Conservatrix
I don't care what her justification was. This broad is still a nasty bi***.

If she really was offended by the lesson plan, she should have walked out and not taught it.

L

2 posted on 12/26/2005 8:16:28 AM PST by Lurker (Let everything that's to be done be done by the herd.)
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To: Conservatrix

And she was reading to 6 year old kids, right?

If this woman is so deeply offended by Santa Claus (and other subjects of faith and spirituality the children's PARENTS might have told their children)...and she sees it as her personal right and responsibility to disabuse small children of their belief in the magic of fairy tales (and other things unseen but felt by faith)....then what the he## is she doing teaching in elementary school?


3 posted on 12/26/2005 8:19:09 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Lurker

She doesn't belong near impressionable children.


4 posted on 12/26/2005 8:19:21 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Conservatrix

The First Law of Holes: When you're in over your head, stop digging.


5 posted on 12/26/2005 8:19:29 AM PST by RichInOC (Stupidity is its own punishment...but not as often as it should be.)
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To: Lurker
No public school teacher should be required to teach a belief, or custom, or religion that he or she believes to be false, or be required to pass those purported falsehoods onto impressionable children, without the right to state a disclaimer.

Oh please... And Kwanza?

10 to 1 she has no problem with this.

I teach younger children, and Santa is part of their culture. How insipid to say this shouldn't be taught.

She sounds like the Grinch to me.

6 posted on 12/26/2005 8:20:25 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Conservatrix

I wish people would read both of these statements before making responses. It seems like people like to spout without allowing divergent point of views to be considered. Conservatives ought to be able to do this.


7 posted on 12/26/2005 8:22:15 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Conservatrix

Oh, so she knows this guy:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1547163/posts

What a bunch of partypoopers!


8 posted on 12/26/2005 8:23:07 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: Conservatrix

Scripted by the ACLU...


9 posted on 12/26/2005 8:24:38 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: silverleaf

"And she was reading to 6 year old kids, right?
"

Six year olds? How many six year olds do you suppose still believe that Santa Claus is a real figure? I gave that nonsense up at age 4, for pete's sake.

Santa is a nice symbolic figure, with roots in Christianity. This teacher taught those roots to these kids. She's not anti-Christian at all, as far as I can tell.

Santa Claus is a mythological figure. Santa does not really exist. It is the idea of Santa Claus that is attractive. At age six, this will not be the first time these kids will have been exposed to the fact that Santa is not real. Other kids will have disabused them of that fact already, I guarantee.


10 posted on 12/26/2005 8:25:24 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: silverleaf

"then what the he## is she doing teaching in elementary school?"

Why the ***% is Santa being taught in public school as a religion?


11 posted on 12/26/2005 8:25:30 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; Catherine A
She doesn't belong near impressionable children.

She doesn't belong near the human race.

Her duty as a substitute teacher is to follow the lesson plans given.

I dare say she won't be getting any job anytime soon, once other Districs see what she has done.

Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face.

12 posted on 12/26/2005 8:25:59 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: purpleland

"Scripted by the ACLU..."

No, scripted from the heart and conscience of someone willing to live by what they believe to be true.


13 posted on 12/26/2005 8:27:12 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Conservatrix

"It seems like people like to spout without allowing divergent point of views to be considered. Conservatives ought to be able to do this."

Why did she feel the necessity to ruin an aspect for Christmas for these students? I read both statements and I still don't see the case. I would expect an educator to make the case with much simpler words. Of course, if the case is so hard to make, many words might be necessary.


14 posted on 12/26/2005 8:28:00 AM PST by CSM (When laws are written, they apply to ALL...Not just the yucky people you don't like. - HairOfTheDog)
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To: Conservatrix
"I would never have agreed to speak to this reporter at all, had I known that your paper would distort both my words and its intentions about the use of my words."


Out of the mouths of babes.


Anyone, over the age of twelve, that is unaware of the connection to reporters [?] and distortion is not only naive, buy they no doubt are still suffering from the malady that struck the day they found out Santa wasn't the one eating the milk and cookies Mom left out Christmas Eve.





15 posted on 12/26/2005 8:28:17 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: Conservatrix
"A secular public school should not be propagating any kind of religion."

I guess that doesn't apply to atheism....or to evolution, which is preached with all the passion of religion.

16 posted on 12/26/2005 8:28:21 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: Conservatrix

Reading a traditional Santa Claus poem is not teaching or preaching a "religion" - it's holiday entertainment.




17 posted on 12/26/2005 8:28:39 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: Conservatrix

Where does the "Night Before Christmas" get religious? Rather a classic poem, isn't it? Ever read a poem that contained elements of fantasy or faith that you don't believe in, just for literary value??


18 posted on 12/26/2005 8:28:39 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Conservatrix

It is very sad that this woman did not allow children to have that magical wonderful adventure of Santa Claus. If she can not separate Santa from Christ; then she has no business speaking about it. Fairy tales are not something you lump into reality. Life is hard; but when you are a child; you should be a child with all of the magical things that happen as a child. There is time enough for being adults and reality.


19 posted on 12/26/2005 8:29:05 AM PST by freekitty
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To: Conservatrix
"Twas the Night Before Christmas" is "offensive"??????

Whew these liberals must eat nails 24/7.

20 posted on 12/26/2005 8:29:26 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Northern Yankee

"Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face."


Maybe it is about standing up for what she believes to be true, in the face of unpopular opinion.


21 posted on 12/26/2005 8:29:36 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Lurker
"If she really was offended by the lesson plan, she should have walked out and not taught it."

BINGO!!! All this bitch did was substitute her beliefs for those of innocent 6-7 year old children who where merely enjoying the season as have countless children before them. Is this woman such a fool that she does not know that children discover on their own that Santa is not actually a real person but an idea and a symbol for a more deeply held belief that emerges in later years?

22 posted on 12/26/2005 8:30:00 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Conservatrix
It seems to me that Theresa has presented a convincing argument for wide latitude in the selection, hiring, and firing of teachers.

She makes a good case for empowering those who hire, fire, and select teachers to do so according to their own whims, values, and judgments of what's good for the children and what they should be taught--with no particular consideration for the teacher's welfare or rights.

No one should be allowed to teach children if he or she does not conform to the standards of those who hire, fire, and select teachers--regardless of race, religion, national origin, sexual preference, physical appearance, need for a job, conformity to Leftist standards of political correctness, and blah blah blah blah--or anything else.

In other words, what's good for the children is the only concern, and if you don't like the teacher, fire him/her.

You know...I agree.

23 posted on 12/26/2005 8:30:19 AM PST by Savage Beast (Why George W. Bush is a Great President in five words or less: 9/11 was never repeated.)
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To: MineralMan
Santa Claus is a mythological figure. Santa does not really exist.

No! It can't be.... Aaaaaarrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!

Merry Christmas, indeed!

24 posted on 12/26/2005 8:30:25 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Dane

"Twas the Night Before Christmas" is "offensive"??????
Whew these liberals must eat nails 24/7


The teacher is a Christian, conservative republican.


25 posted on 12/26/2005 8:30:32 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Savage Beast

"No one should be allowed to teach children if he or she does not conform to the standards of those who hire, fire, and select teachers--regardless of race, religion, national origin, sexual preference, physical appearance, need for a job, conformity to Leftist standards of political correctness, and blah blah blah blah--or anything else."

She is a right-wing person, not a leftist.


26 posted on 12/26/2005 8:32:00 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Conservatrix
Second grade, I stated plainly that there's no santa. The class fell silent, and my teacher stomped her lowrise heel on the floor and yelled "I believe in Santa!" Everyone cheered her, and I STFU.

I despise herds with great contempt, and I have been fighting the public sector ever since.

Second grade.

27 posted on 12/26/2005 8:32:25 AM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: Conservatrix
What sick sick people. I do not want my child to know how disgusting this world truly is. Therefore, it is perfectly fine for her to hear, believe, and love a fairytale.

No one will complain when this person destroys her children with harsh realities.
28 posted on 12/26/2005 8:32:47 AM PST by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: Eagles Talon IV

If you were asked to speak about abortion in a classroom setting, and the lesson plan gave told you to tell about it as a good, nice thing, would you do it? I know if it were me, I would not be able to do it.


29 posted on 12/26/2005 8:33:45 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: MineralMan
Six year olds? How many six year olds do you suppose still believe that Santa Claus is a real figure?

I hope the vast majority.

30 posted on 12/26/2005 8:33:58 AM PST by Cagey (Some men are Baptists, others Catholics, my father was an Oldsmobile man.)
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To: Conservatrix
Maybe it is about standing up for what she believes to be true, in the face of unpopular opinion.

I think if it was truly about that. "She" would have stood up to the school board and/or the parents. "She" would not have put the young kids in the middle of the battlefield.

If "she" is truly trying to stand up for "her" principles, she should simply refuse to cover the subject material at all, instead of imposing "her" sense of morality on the kids, trumping the will of their parents.

"She" is self-deluded scum, in my humble opinion. No undue offense to "her". ...and so is Mr. Martin.

I'll be responsible for deciding how and when to teach my child about truth, thank you very much.

31 posted on 12/26/2005 8:34:38 AM PST by Egon (I don't want edible meat, I want edible animals. - CygnusXI)
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To: eyespysomething

ping


32 posted on 12/26/2005 8:35:17 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Conservatrix
I would never have agreed to speak to this reporter at all,
had I known that your paper would distort both my words and
its intentions about the use of my words.

It's tough for liberals when they can't have total control of information.

33 posted on 12/26/2005 8:35:35 AM PST by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops!)
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To: Conservatrix
The teacher is a Christian, conservative republican

No, IMO, she is a liberal.

How can anybody in there right mind find "Twas the Night Before Christmas" offensive.

The only other people who do are people like the ACLU and michael newdow.

I'm surmising that this woman like the liberals would find "God Rest Ye' Merry Gentlemen" offensive also.

34 posted on 12/26/2005 8:36:39 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Conservatrix

Wow, and I always thought Ebenezer Scrooge was a man!! I hope this "teacher" got switches and coal in her stocking from Santa, and a swift kick in the butt from the little kids she "teaches."


35 posted on 12/26/2005 8:36:53 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Lurker
“Furthermore, freedom of speech and religion, no matter how unpopular the speech or against cultural norms the religion, are protected rights under the Constitution of the United States.”

I suppose then speaking out against homosexuality, muslims etc should be just as protected? Or Does this 'tolerance' of free speech only extend to attacks against institutions she does not support, protect or agree with?

I would be interested in hearing her explain how denouncing homosexualiaty is 'hate' speech, but denouncing Christian beliefs is 'protected' if not revered...

36 posted on 12/26/2005 8:37:08 AM PST by antaresequity ((PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH, PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED))
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To: Conservatrix
"Scripted by the ACLU..."

"No, scripted from the heart and conscience of someone willing to live by what they believe to be true."


Hogwash!

If she said the same about God, because she was an atheist, or that homosexuality is a good life style, it would be okay because she believed it to be true?


The moron is there to teach the three R's. (or should be) Teachers may do well to leave the morality to the individual family.





37 posted on 12/26/2005 8:37:10 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: Northern Yankee

Is Santa literally and ACTUALLY being taught? Or is the children's Santa myth re-inforced by a literary recitation or reading?

Undoubtedly, this substitute teacher has attended the ACLU workshops.


38 posted on 12/26/2005 8:37:44 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: Conservatrix

"Why the ***% is Santa being taught in public school as a religion?"

Explain to us how reading a very well known, popular, seasonal poem is teaching a religeon. In addition, if you are so worried about a "competing religeous figure," why the need to represent vulgarity in your response?


39 posted on 12/26/2005 8:37:44 AM PST by CSM (When laws are written, they apply to ALL...Not just the yucky people you don't like. - HairOfTheDog)
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To: Conservatrix
Maybe it is about standing up for what she believes to be true, in the face of unpopular opinion.

You're kidding, right?

I dare say my faith is as strong, if not stronger than hers, and yet I can make the distinction of the true meaning of Christmas, and that of Santa Claus.

That being said, I continue to teach about Santa to my students. The benovolent jolly old elf brings shares the joy of giving during this Christmas season. To say this teacher stood up for what she believes in, defies common sense, and a respect for the opinions of others.

What right does she have to impose her opinions over that of the children's parents?

You've missed the boat here in respecting the culture of others.

Is she's offended at the thought of Santa, then she should keep it to herself, and not display her actions in a public school.

40 posted on 12/26/2005 8:37:50 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: downtoliberalism

"Therefore, it is perfectly fine for her to hear, believe, and love a fairytale."

You are exactly right, it is a fairytale. That is how she taught it. You cannot reach is it a truth, because it isn't, is it? Why are public schools requiring that a teacher promote THEIR religion, which is based on a fairy-tale?


41 posted on 12/26/2005 8:38:21 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Conservatrix

"It was under those terms that i agreed to be interviewed."Now you know better.Journalists will take statements out of context,misquote,make inferences,yes even lie in order to further their agenda.


42 posted on 12/26/2005 8:38:30 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: Conservatrix
No public school teacher should be required to teach a belief, or custom, or religion that he or she believes to be false, or be required to pass those purported falsehoods onto impressionable children, without the right to state a disclaimer. Furthermore, freedom of speech and religion, no matter how unpopular the speech or against cultural norms the religion, are protected rights under the Constitution of the United States. A secular public school should not be propagating any kind of religion.

Nonsense.

Secularism is a religion in and of itself.

That this moron can't fit two thoughts into her head- and separate the two- demonstrates her ineptitude and quite succinctly points out the problem with state sponsored education.

43 posted on 12/26/2005 8:38:42 AM PST by IncPen (Torture should be safe, legal, and rare.)
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To: Conservatrix
Maybe it is about standing up for what she believes to be true, in the face of unpopular opinion.

Maybe it is merely a shallow person being mean to little kids to make herself feel justified in her own bitterness.

44 posted on 12/26/2005 8:38:45 AM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: Conservatrix
I will say it one more time. Anything, ANYTHING, that comes between the "State" and the people and can in any way interfere with their control of the people by allowing them to have something or someone else to turn to, such as religion and the accompanying Deity, is both hated and feared by the left. They must have complete and absolute control over the population to realize their agenda. They have succeeded in a media takeover and a Public school curriculum takeover and next up his to get rid of religion.
45 posted on 12/26/2005 8:39:03 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Conservatrix
Santa Claus is not being 'taught as religion'. Noone is being told to pray to Santa Claus, noone is being told that Santa Claus created the world, and noone is being bussed to the Universal Church of Santa Claus on the taxpayers dime.

This woman is silly, ignorant, and a real b****. If she honestly had some serious religious objection to the lesson plan she could have refused to teach it, or not accepted the job. But, she didn't do that.

No, she decided that she was going to foist her own petty brand of meanness on a bunch of 6 and 7 year old kids who couldn't point to Eastern Europe on a map, much less comprehend what the year 562 was.

This dried up, pinched out, warped, frustrated, ill-tempered, shrivel souled bitty tried to foist her personal phony 'religious convictions' on a bunch of innocent kids. She got caught and called on it.

Now she's squealing like a stuck pig, a rather apt analogy if you ask me, because a bunch of parents objected to her inexcusable and mean spirited behavior. Had she done this to my child, I'd have her job on a platter at the very least.

This smug self righteous slitch doesn't belong in an elementary school classroom in a public school. And her 'religious freedom' argument is a canard....

She's a bi***, plain and simple.

L

46 posted on 12/26/2005 8:40:09 AM PST by Lurker (Let everything that's to be done be done by the herd.)
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To: Conservatrix
Three undeniable facts:

1. No sane, rational adult truly believes that the figure "Santa Claus," as described in contemporary culture, actually, ontologically, exists. None, zero, not one. NOBODY believes in a figure living in the North Pole, working with elves and flying reindeer, monitoring the works of all children omnisciently, creeping down chimneys each 12/25 to reward the good. Nobody, not one person.

2. Yet countless adults assure naive, innocent children that they should actually accept this untruth as truth, should actually believe in the actual existence of such a being, should structure their lives and hopes and expectations and joys in part on that premise (which they know to be false) -- and they go to great lengths to fool these helpless children into believing this lie.

3. If anyone suggests that children should not be misled, hordes of conservatives -- conservatives, mind you, who pride themselves for their rationality and superior grasp of facts, and their eschewing of deception and misinformation -- will swarm that person with countless groundless accusations against the person who suggests that deliberately deceiving a child isn't a good thing.

These facts are undeniable, and this thread already bears them out. It is the juxtaposition of them which honestly, sincerely, absolutely baffles me.

Prediction: unless the presence of this prediction discourages it, my undeniable observations will make me the target of #3 above, and this targeting will wander far from any of the points I actually made, dwelling largely instead on insinuations not in evidence.

Dan
To Tell the Truth, Virginia...

47 posted on 12/26/2005 8:40:15 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Northern Yankee

"Is she's offended at the thought of Santa, then she should keep it to herself, and not display her actions in a public school."


A public school should not be requiring teachers to promote their religion. "He sees you when you're sleeping; he know's when you're awake; he knows when you've been bad or good."... gee, that sound like the God you say you believe in.


48 posted on 12/26/2005 8:40:26 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Conservatrix

Hmm, the lady whines about being required to 'teach religion' in school, then mentions Santa Claus. Well, today Santa Claus is not a 'religious' figure, despite his origins as Saint Nicholas. She said she wasn't required to 'teach lies'. Nor is she required to tear wings off butterflies. She could have held her tongue and allowed small children the wonder of their families' Christmas celebrations...which were none of her business. She sounds bitter and angry and took it out on the kids. She could easily have focused on Christmas and Santa as a wonderful American holiday where generosity and kindness is paramount. But no.


49 posted on 12/26/2005 8:40:56 AM PST by hershey
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To: G.Mason
If she said the same about God, because she was an atheist, or that homosexuality is a good life style, it would be okay because she believed it to be true?

Finally, somebody got it!

Move to the head of the class, friend!

50 posted on 12/26/2005 8:41:43 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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