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I need the BEST argument against Gay Marriage
Nov. 30, 2005 | Hildy

Posted on 11/30/2005 2:08:49 PM PST by Hildy

I need the best... don't mean a good opinion, personal anecdotal stories...a great argument against gay marriage. I'm in a very very civil discussion (as strange as it may sound) on another bulletin board. I'm the only heterosexual, let alone Conservative and it's been very interesting. But it always comes down to Gay Marriage. And, frankly, besides the religious argument that can always be overruled by civil arguments, I'm gonna lose this one...I know one of you brilliant people have at one time posted something brilliant about it...or know of a journalist who has written something brilliant about it. On this one...I admit...I'm at a loss. Thank you.


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To: Zionist Conspirator
"it violates arbitrary Divine decree"

Citation, Please. I don't think you can find a biblical mention of gay marriage let alone a proscription against it. One can reasonably infer that gay sex will occur within a gay marriage and one can state (against some arguments perhaps) that the bible proscribes gay sex but there is no biblical law against gay marriage that I am aware of.

121 posted on 11/30/2005 2:36:42 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: FormerLib
With the contract, the government can ensure that those who are supposed to take responsibility do so.

How is it made easier with a contract?

A sound family structure is a critical part of the foundation of any society.

Agreed but you are talking about society, and Government is only a small part of society...and more Nanny Government such as the marriage and divorce business only makes Government a larger part of society.

122 posted on 11/30/2005 2:36:43 PM PST by rhombus
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To: Hildy

I dont know Hildy. The whole thing for me comes down to this: If we were all homosexual, we'd cease to exist! And then there's this: For me, God said it's wrong. BAM! So for ME it's wrong! Period, end of story.


123 posted on 11/30/2005 2:37:13 PM PST by queenkathy (My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice)
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To: Elpasser
Because that's what marriage IS (a man and a woman).

You win with the above statement.

124 posted on 11/30/2005 2:37:17 PM PST by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
The fact that some in the first group suffer either from a physcial abnormality or the lack of will to have children in no way changes the fact that the 2nd group CAN NEVER EVER have children.

What about couples sixty-five and older? Should they be prevented from marrying? I've never heard of a pregnant eighty year old (not counting Sarah in the Bible, who had divine intervention), so maybe it's true that they CAN NEVER EVER have children either.

125 posted on 11/30/2005 2:37:18 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Hildy

No one is preventing a gay man and a gay woman from getting married and having gay children.


126 posted on 11/30/2005 2:37:36 PM PST by usmcobra (30 years since I first celebrated The Marine Corps Birthday as a Marine)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Hey, where have you been? You reach a milestone and then bail? And where is your flag?

All this, and more, on the next Lando posting.

127 posted on 11/30/2005 2:37:55 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Hildy

The honeymoon would hurt.


128 posted on 11/30/2005 2:38:21 PM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: Hildy
Not sure where I heard this, perhaps even here, radio, or in Family Magazine in the Doctor's Office (how many times can one family have strep anyway???)...but it was along the lines of...

For thousands of years civilized societies have had "marriage" between a man & a woman as the "best" way to raise a child & ensure stability of a society. The "data" is still out on the effects of having a child raised in a single sex household... So, it's a Grand Social Experiment...that in a Politically Correct World might even sound somewhat reasonable...but bottom line it is "experimenting" with Children. Also, similar, the concept that it was better for the "children" for the parents to divorce than for the "children" to remain in an home with two unhappy parents. Data is now coming out (surprise, surprise) ...that the children of "Divorce" no matter how amicable the divorce are more troubled than children from homes where the parents stay married for the sake of the children...even with arguing... So, who knows what the mysterious "Data" will show re: children raised in a "Gay Marriage" home (initial "data" shows that the children of these households already have more instances of suicides & drug abuse...but not sure if that's related directly to the single-sex of parents or issues related to being outside the mainstream of their peers... Guess, it still comes down to...experimenting on humans...

129 posted on 11/30/2005 2:38:46 PM PST by SergeantsLady (I support my soldier by supporting the mission he believes in...Iraqi Freedom.)
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To: Hildy

(picky point but true) Gay marriage has always been legal. There's no legal prohibition against gay people getting married.

(what they really mean) Same-sex marriage, on the other hand, does not exist, and it never has. Marriage in every civilized culture throughout history has been between one man and one woman, or between one man and multiple women, but the multiple wives were not married to each other.

So the issue isn't "should we let people of the same sex get married," but, "should we redefine the institution of marriage to include same-sex couples." Every time the issue goes to vote, it's rejected by a convincing majority, even in "blue" states. So clearly it's not what people want to do, either now or any time in the past.


130 posted on 11/30/2005 2:39:10 PM PST by VoiceOfBruck (But what does chicken taste like?)
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To: Sols

Okay, I hear ya, now again, go away. I do not like homos, nor folks who support them...


131 posted on 11/30/2005 2:39:10 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: GladesGuru

If marriage is to be "sanctioned" by the government because it produces children, why do those unions that do not produce children also get the same benefits?

This argument makes the sanctioning of marriage unconstitutional under the equal protection clause. If this were the only defining point, then a childless couple, or a marriage where one or both of the spouses is incapable of producing children, would be no different from a same sex couple.


132 posted on 11/30/2005 2:39:39 PM PST by HouTom
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To: NC28203

>>>The purpose of marriage is to raise children, bringing well-adjusted kids into society. Children rasied by gays are more prone to depression, suicide, crime, dropping out of school, and violence. It's not to the benefit of society to encourage more kids like this.

>>The same could be said of children with divorced parents, but the state allows heterosexual couples to divorce.

And just as the government discourages divorce, it should discourage gay marriage.


133 posted on 11/30/2005 2:39:47 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: Sols
Should couples who can't bear children not be allowed to marry?

First, define "can't." If you can look at two people and see the parts don't fit, then that's a pretty simple test. People that are "sterile" have kids from time to time even when supposedly neither is capable. What kinds of tests are to be required to deny benefits? We set the standards pretty low, but it is a huge leap from "barren" to mechanically incompatible.

134 posted on 11/30/2005 2:40:04 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Hildy
Best religious reason: The Creator said so. It's not what He designed us for.

Non-religious reason: Marriage is a seal of approval and special status from government. Government doesn't care about "romance", and that's not why it sanctions heterosexual marriage. It sanctions marriage between men and women to encourage the best chance for an arrangment that can best nuture children and perpetuate a stable society (studies by even pro-homo researchers have admitted that). THAT's the government's fundamental interest, not who sleeps with whom.

135 posted on 11/30/2005 2:40:29 PM PST by mikeus_maximus (Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still evil.)
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To: Hildy
Gay Marriage vs American Marriage

Going Dutch: Lessons of the same-sex marriage debate in the Netherlands

Judaism's Sexual Revolution

The Moral Foundations of Society

The Rights Of Marriage

136 posted on 11/30/2005 2:41:14 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Exalt the Lord our God, and worship at His footstool; He is holy. Ps 99:5)
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To: Hildy
Marriage IS a religious Sacrament.

It shows great hypocrisy to want to label something as religious and then to choose to selectively ignore the religious aspect.

This applies to both hetero and homosexual couples.

If two people make vows to each other, it is an agreement or a union. They are bound (albeit weakly) by the rules of the government.

If two people make those vows to each other in front of God, then only God decrees that it is a marriage. Then they are bound by God's rules as well as the rules of the government.
137 posted on 11/30/2005 2:42:20 PM PST by kidd
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To: Hildy
Why should the government promote an extremal unhealthy lifestyle?
138 posted on 11/30/2005 2:43:00 PM PST by MRadtke (NOT the baseball player)
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To: Hildy

first off - I have never seen a poll of actual gay people on whether they want to marry. If they are honest, I suspect MAYBE 30% do. This issue is being driven by activists to poke a stick in the eye of conservatives.


139 posted on 11/30/2005 2:43:27 PM PST by ghost of nixon
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To: Hildy

Gay marriages are simply impossible in reality:
1. There's no father of the bride to pay for the wedding.
2. There's no affordable wedding gift: the
happy couple already own everything sold by Crate and
Barrel, Pottery Barn, and Pier 1.
3.Most church organists refuse to play "Knock on Wood"
for the processional.
4. Who gets the diamond, who gets the plain gold
band?


140 posted on 11/30/2005 2:44:40 PM PST by Sabatier
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