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EXITING IRAQ(positive read)
The Oregonian ^ | November 24, 2005 | David Reinhard

Posted on 11/24/2005 10:57:06 AM PST by crazyhorse691

Oh, this was going to be big. You could tell by last Friday's front-page photo in The New York Times. There was Rep. John Murtha, a portrait in gray gravitas. In the background was a window with the Capitol bathed in the bittersweet November sunshine.

This was going to be big. The Pennsylvania Democrat was a tough-talking ex-Marine, Vietnam veteran and Democratic "hawk." And, wrote the Times' Eric Schmitt, this "influential House Democrat on military matters called for an immediate withdrawal of American troops" from Iraq.

Before the Iraqi elections in December, said Murtha, the Iraqis must be told: "The United States will immediately redeploy . . ."

A "hawk" urging "an immediate withdrawal" from Iraq -- holy quagmire, could this be the equivalent of Walter Cronkite turning against the Vietnam War?

But something happened on the way to the canonization. People started taking Murtha seriously.

Yes, it made for a good anti-war story to label Murtha an Iraq war "hawk." It fit so nicely into the "declining support for the war" line, but there were some problems. First, he'd voiced strong reservations about invading Iraq from the start. Second, there was a deja vu quality to last week's news. And with reason. In May 2004, Murtha had declared Iraq "unwinnable" unless we sent in more troops. Either that or we needed to pull out.

Question: How often can an Iraq war "hawk" turn against the Iraq war?

Apparently, as many times as required. For, on Sept. 17, 2003, the Times had reported, "One of the strongest Democratic supporters of the invasion of Iraq joined the growing offensive against the administration's postwar planning today, demanding . . . Bush fire his defense leadership team."

That would be Murtha.

In sum, Murtha hardly qualifies today as an Iraq war "hawk" at last turning against the war.

In fact, it's difficult to know how real last week's call for an immediate withdrawal -- "immediate redeployment" -- really was. Why? Because House Republicans actually took Murtha seriously. The next day Rep. J. D. Hayworth called Murtha on his call for an immediate withdrawal. The Arizona Republican pushed House leaders to put forward a resolution endorsing Murtha's proposal. The result of Friday's night's extraordinary debate and vote: Three members voted for the GOP's "Murtha resolution." And 403 voted against it, including Murtha himself.

It's a shame Murtha wouldn't endorse, much less introduce, a resolution favoring his own pull-out policy of the day before.

We need more real debate on U.S. policy in Iraq. Not the fake debates of news conferences and talk-show chatter. Not more hollow talk or political sniping. We need debates of consequence and accountability. We need people to vote on their brave proposals. Why? Because the stakes are too high in Iraq in particular and the war on terror in general.

Maybe Murtha didn't want to do anything to advance his own views and just wanted his talk just to remain part of the anti-war ankle-biting. And maybe there was a bit of partisan gamesmanship in the GOP move. But much good came out of the GOP's decision to take Murtha seriously.

"The Washington Post, the New York Times and Al-Jazeera all reported (Murtha) called for immediate withdrawal," Hayworth said. "I thought by Saturday morning seeing in Al-Jazeera that the U.S. House overwhelmingly rejects calls for withdrawal is the message we needed to send. " Exactly.

The special up-or-down attention paid to the "immediate redeployment" proposal prompted real debate on its merits. Or demerits, since pulling out before Iraqis are ready to stand alone -- before our mission is complete -- would be disastrous for the Iraqis and dangerous for Americans.

It could plunge Iraq into the civil war that we've avoided so far, despite the constant warnings of Iraq war critics here at home. It would risk creating a failed state that's a haven for terrorists rather than a region-altering democracy that Iraq gives signs of becoming. It would embolden terrorists the same way that the U.S. exit from Somalia emboldened Osama bin Laden.

Ironically, the Vietnam vet's policy of precipitous withdrawal -- heck, let's call it a surrender -- would do what events in Iraq and anti-war rhetoric here at home have so far failed to do: turn Iraq into another Vietnam.

Small wonder House Democrats didn't want to vote on Murtha's plan. Small wonder Senate Democrats such as Hillary Clinton quickly rejected his bug-out option.

Oh, it was all going to be big -- before it was taken seriously.

David Reinhard, associate editor, can be reached at 503-221-8152 or davidreinhard@news.oregonian.com.


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The story is now a week old and I suspect that this column had been held back "due to space limitations". But, irregardless, David hits a homerun.
1 posted on 11/24/2005 10:57:06 AM PST by crazyhorse691
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To: crazyhorse691

The Oregonian isn't to be taken as a serious newspaper anymore. Having been scooped on several major corruption scandals(Goldschmidt, Police pension abuse, corruption in a wasteful sheriffs office) by the Willamette Week has shown they have little interest in anything beyond being the water carriers for the fringe left.


2 posted on 11/24/2005 11:23:05 AM PST by DuckFan4ever (Janice Rogers Brown for the Supreme court in '06)
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To: crazyhorse691

bttt


3 posted on 11/24/2005 11:35:01 AM PST by Christian4Bush ("Cowards cut and run: Marines never do." And I do NOT wish to revise or extend my remarks.)
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I called Hillary's office and I was told that she would say something about troop pullouts after the December elections.

I also got her aide admit that at the current time, the President's strategy of training the Iraqi troops to do their own fighting and allowing them to do more and more is the best strategy for the current and forseeable future. He was upset when I revealed that the plan he agreed to was what the president has proposed.


4 posted on 11/24/2005 11:47:18 AM PST by ConvservativeVet ("If it is not seemly, do it not; if it is not true, speak it not.")
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To: crazyhorse691

My observation about the New York Times: They are a lot like the Congressional Democrats, they are a bunch of murtha fakers.


6 posted on 11/24/2005 12:37:57 PM PST by punster
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To: punster

nice to see it anyway. I agree about the Oregonian being a not so great paper. It's behind both the Tribute and the Willamette Week in real reporting. They might still best the Mercury though!


7 posted on 11/24/2005 1:06:50 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: crazyhorse691
The story is now a week old and I suspect that this column had been held back "due to space limitations". But, irregardless, David hits a homerun.

Oh, it's perfect timing. Folks are able to read something that sheds light rather than heat on the subject.

8 posted on 11/24/2005 1:11:27 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: counterpunch

This is a riot...I just copy your great bumper sticker and went to try to send it to Murtha on his email and his entire website is now "UNDER CONSTRUCTION." I'll bet it has crashed lately. Thanks and I will save it and keep trying...eventually he has to get something available...doesn't he? Perhaps not. Happy Thanksgiving


9 posted on 11/24/2005 1:18:45 PM PST by TatieBug
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