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Posted on 11/05/2005 9:26:41 PM PST by Flavius
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To: NYer
To: Iscool
Jesus said:
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Jesus is condemning the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. He is saying that they desire the titles of respect for their own purposes, not for the glory of God; which is certainly wrong. He is not categorically condemning the use of titles of respect, but rather the misuse of them for ones self interests.
If you disagree, then I ask you the following questions:
1) What do you call your male parent?
2) The passage in question also says not to call anyone teacher. Have you ever called anyone teacher?
3) In searching the New Testament, I came across numerous examples of New Testament authors calling human beings fathers. How do you explain this?
Here is a truncated list of some examples:
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Matthew Chapter 1 Men are called "father" so many times that I quit counting.
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Romans 4:1-18 St. Paul calls Abraham our father no less than eight times. In fact, the name Abraham means "father of the multitude."
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Romans 9:10 Isaac is called our father
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1 Corinthians 4:15 St. Paul calls himself a father to the Corinthians.
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1 Corinthians 10:1
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Galatians 1:14
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Ephesians 5:31 and 6:4
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Philippians 2:22 St. Paul calls himself a father to Timothy
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Colossians 3:21
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1 Thessalonians. 2:11
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1 Timothy 5:1
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2 Timothy 1:3
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Hebrews 1:1, 3:9 and 12:9
I could continue multiplying verses, but I think Ive already become redundant. The point again is that our earthly "fathers" in the faith are not an end in themselves like gurus but that they are representations (albeit sometimes poor ones) of our heavenly Father; as St. Paul says in Ephesians 3:14-15 "For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named." The Catholic practice is, and always has been, the same as the early Church (Catholic Church) that St. Paul is called "father" in those passages because he is a spiritual father. Priests are called "father" because they, like St. Paul, are spiritual fathers.
Source: Catholic Bible
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posted on
11/07/2005 8:28:06 AM PST
by
NYer
(“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
To: NYer
To: NYer
I have gone to Greg Laurie's church for twenty-five years. It is not a denomination, but practices New Testament Christianitythat is, the Church founded by Jesus Christ, the
only mediator between God and man.
So this list is a little off, because I'm certainly not Catholic.
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posted on
11/07/2005 7:59:28 PM PST
by
Salem
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To: Flavius; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; Slings and Arrows; judicial meanz; ...
This made the front page of our local paper today.
If you'd like to be on or off this
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please
FR mail me ~
MikeFromFR ~There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had
spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. (Joshua 21:45)Letter To The President In Support Of Israel ~'Final Solution,' Phase 2 ~Warnings ~
"Palestine is the wrong name for their State. It should be called Anarchy."FReeper sgtbono2002
"Then let's wait and see what the Arabs do after they take Gaza. There's nothing like Arab reality to break up a Jewish fantasy."FReeper Noachian
A student told his professor he was going to "Palestine" to "fight for freedom, peace and justice,"Orwellian leftist code words that mean "murder Jews."
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11/07/2005 8:00:51 PM PST
by
Salem
(FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
To: NYer
A typo in your list, NYer. The Anglican Church was started by King Henry VIII (not VII as the list shows), as you surely remember, in response to the refusal of the Pope to grant an annulment to Henry's marriage to Catherine of Aragon.
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posted on
11/07/2005 8:22:04 PM PST
by
Ciexyz
(Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
To: Salem
An Israeli tourist agent's dream: Come visit the church nearest the battlefield of Armageddon. Apocalypse Now, indeed!
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posted on
11/07/2005 8:27:09 PM PST
by
Ciexyz
(Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
To: Unam Sanctam
"Is there a translation of the mosaic inscription anywhere?"
Yeah. It says "All your floor tiles are belong to us."
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posted on
11/07/2005 8:30:51 PM PST
by
Rokke
To: Salem
"So this list is a little off, because I'm certainly not Catholic."
Sure it is a little off. But it makes some people feel better if they can claim to be "the first". Interestingly, the Mormon church also claims it is the only "true" Christian church that can trace its origins to the church Christ founded. It is a silly competition that reveals a sense of insecurity rather than demonstrating evidence of purity.
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posted on
11/07/2005 9:05:43 PM PST
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Rokke
To: Rokke
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posted on
11/07/2005 9:08:44 PM PST
by
Salem
(FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
To: Iscool
That's pretty lame...An apt description for linguistic literalists like yourself.
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02/22/2016 9:48:46 AM PST
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SunkenCiv
(Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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posted on
02/23/2016 5:06:41 AM PST
by
SJackson
(What I’m watching in him (O), is uncertainty...a leader doesn’t gMiddive sh*t...he gets it)
To: Iscool
Catholicism dates back to the first century. That is to say, The existence of an apostolic church consisting of local congregations. The idea of a great apostasy at the time the Constantine liberated the Christian churches, or by convening the Nicene Council comes from the Reformation period as a means of opposing Roman authority. If Constantineâs government, and the government of his son ever acted to impose Church authority on dissidents, it was at the behest of his Arian and semi-arian bishops to suppress the trinitarian doctrines of that Council.
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posted on
02/23/2016 10:31:16 AM PST
by
RobbyS
(What about the size of the national debt?)
To: Iscool
Well, then I guess i have been wrongly named, because my four kinds call me Farther. Seriously, doesnât Paul call himself Timothyâs father in Christ?
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posted on
02/23/2016 10:34:52 AM PST
by
RobbyS
(What about the size of the national debt?)
To: Rokke
Some have better historical claims than others. Joseph Smith made his claim based on some tablets he says he found buried in New York State. This was in the 19th century.
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posted on
02/23/2016 10:39:15 AM PST
by
RobbyS
(What about the size of the national debt?)
To: x5452
I think at best we can pray they abandon their religion of hate. Love your enemies. Pray for those who persecute you.
I pray for their repentance and conversion.
If that doesn't happen, I will defend myself and my community with lethal force if necessary.
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posted on
02/23/2016 10:43:24 AM PST
by
NorthMountain
(A plague o' both your houses.)
To: SJackson
The Romans did not actually ban Christianity. Rather its actions were like that of the Soviet Union, which restricted its actions/officially persecuted it. It actually thrived under Diocletianâs restoration of order. Then WHAM, the Great Persecution, which came close to destroying the Church in the eastern part of the Empire.
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posted on
02/23/2016 10:45:17 AM PST
by
RobbyS
(What about the size of the national debt?)
To: SJackson
The Romans did not actually ban Christianity. Rather its actions were like that of the Soviet Union, which restricted its actions/officially persecuted it. It actually thrived under Diocletianâs restoration of order. Then WHAM, the Great Persecution, which came close to destroying the Church in the eastern part of the Empire.
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posted on
02/23/2016 10:45:18 AM PST
by
RobbyS
(What about the size of the national debt?)
To: RobbyS
Well, then I guess i have been wrongly named, because my four kinds call me Farther. Seriously, doesn't Paul call himself Timothyââ¬â¢s father in Christ?Being a father or acting as a father are not the same as being called a father, especially in the context of the scripture where it is spoken of...
Your kids want to call you father, since you are their father, fine...Altho Paul called himself the father of so many who were not his actual children, he never intended anyone call him father other than his own children...Paul made that clear in his teaching...That's the part you guys ignore...
Joh_8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication;
When were were spiritually born again,
we have one Father, even God.
We received ONE Spiritual father...Only one...The need for a priesthood and the priesthood was eliminated...
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
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posted on
02/23/2016 11:10:56 AM PST
by
Iscool
(Trump will Triumph)
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