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Ancient Anthropoid Origins Discovered In Africa
Duke University ^ | 13 October 2005 | News office staff

Posted on 10/14/2005 3:27:55 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

New species firmly establish African roots for anthropoid line.

The fossil teeth and jawbones of two new species of tiny monkey-like creatures that lived 37 million years ago have been sifted from ancient sediments in the Egyptian desert, researchers have reported. Related

They said their findings firmly establish that the common ancestor of living anthropoids -- including monkeys, apes and humans -- arose in Africa and that the group had already begun branching into many species by that time. Also, they said, one of the creatures appears to have been nocturnal, the first example of a nocturnal early anthropoid.

The researchers published their discovery of the two new species -- named Biretia fayumensis and Biretia megalopsis -- in an article in the October 14, 2005, issue of the journal Science. First author on the paper was Erik Seiffert of the University of Oxford and Oxford University Museum of Natural History. Other co-authors were [lotta names here, see original article].


The subtle topography of tiny teeth and jawbones enabled identification of two new anthropoid ancestors that lived 37 million years ago.

The researchers discovered the fossils over the course of the last few years at a site called Birket Qarun Locality 2 (BQ-2) about 60 miles southwest of Cairo in the Fayum desert. BQ-2 has only been systematically excavated for about four years, said Seiffert, in contrast to a much younger Fayum site, called L-41, which has been explored for the last 22 years by Simons and his colleagues.

“BQ-2 and surrounding localities have tremendous potential, which is exciting because they are so much older than other Fayum sites,” said Seiffert. “There will certainly be much more information about early anthropoid evolution coming out of BQ-2 over the next few years.” The sediments at BQ-2 lie nearly 750 feet below those of L-41 and were dated at around 37 million years old by measuring telltale variations in magnetic fields in the sediments due to ancient fluctuations in the earth’s magnetic fields. According to Simons, other anthropoids exist at BQ-2 and will soon be described, [that's how the paragraph ends, folks!]

The latest fossils of the new species consist of tiny teeth and jaws, whose shapes yield critical clues about the species whose mouths they once occupied. For example, a tooth root from the species Biretia megalopsis is truncated, indicating that it had to make room for the larger eyesocket of a nocturnal animal.

“These finds seem to indicate that Biretia megalopsis must have had very large eyes, and so was likely nocturnal,” said Seiffert. “This has never been documented in an early anthropoid. The simplest explanation is that Biretia's nocturnality represents an evolutionary reversal from a diurnal ancestor, but that conclusion is based solely on the probable pattern of relationships. If down the road we find out that our phylogeny was wrong, Biretia could end up being very significant for our understanding of the origin of anthropoid activity patterns.”

According to Simons, analyses of the teeth of the two species clearly place them as members of a group called parapithecoids, known as “stem” anthropoids because they constitute the species of early creatures from which the subsequent "crown" anthropoid line arose.

“The finding of these parapithecoids from such an ancient time confirms that crown anthropoids -- a group including all modern anthropoids -- have their earliest known beginnings in Africa,” said Simons. “They show that findings by other researchers of isolated examples of possible higher primate fossils in Asia do not constitute evidence of an ancestral crown anthropoid lineage there.”

According to Seiffert, the latest findings help fill in the gap between later anthropoids and the oldest undisputed anthropoid, called Algeripithecus, found in Algeria, which lived around 45 million years ago. That species had been characterized by only a few teeth, which precluded significant insight into the species, said Seiffert.

Seiffert also noted that previously, the only evidence for anthropoids at 37 million years ago in Africa was a single tooth, attributed to a species called Biretia piveteaui. What’s more, the latest discoveries of the two species suggest that a 57-million-year-old African primate called Altiatlasius from Morocco might even be the earliest anthropoid ancestor.

For more information, contact: Dennis Meredith, Office of News & Communications | (919) 681-8054 | dennis.meredith@duke.edu


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anthrasimias; anthropoid; anthropoids; anthropology; crevolist; godsgravesglyphs; hominins; paleontology; primate; primates; primatology; samebsdifferentday
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To: mlc9852
For your sake, I hope you're right.

I know I'm right.

41 posted on 10/14/2005 7:56:21 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: WildHorseCrash
" a talking snake, magic fruit and all that..."


Did you say talking snake and magic fruit?

42 posted on 10/14/2005 7:58:15 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: PatrickHenry

"Also, they said, one of the creatures appears to have been nocturnal'

Vampire early monkey ping.


43 posted on 10/14/2005 8:00:21 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: marktwain
So possibly the crucifixion and resurrection are just analogies?
44 posted on 10/14/2005 8:02:08 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: ClearCase_guy
I don't know if any of you remember the original Cosmos series by Carl Sagan. In it he described a group of early scientists looking at Mars and saying they couldn't see a thing, therefore there must be an atmosphere. And, if there is an atmosphere, there must be plant life. And, if there is plant life then animal life must have evolved just as it did here on hearth. In other words he said:

Observation: I can't see a thing.

Conclusion: Dinosaurs!

It was a great example of scientists reading too much into the "evidence."

For the record, Carl Sagan believed in evolution and God.

45 posted on 10/14/2005 8:08:52 AM PDT by Attillathehon
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To: mlc9852

"You certainly don't have to believe the Bible, but trying to make those who do look like backwater yokels doesn't help make your case. I'm convinced evolutionists are generally just mean-spirited people."

True for many. But there many, many hateful and dishonest Creationists, as well.

The level of discourse is sadly very low on both sides.


46 posted on 10/14/2005 8:09:20 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: marktwain
Well, the bible is clearly not literally true in everything. For example, in 1 Kings 7:23, the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter is given as three. We know that this value (pi) for the mathematical, is actually 3.1428..., so the bible is not literally correct here.

So they just rounded. 3.1428... isn't correct either. If you hit the pi button on a calculator, it comes up with 3.141592654... but that's ok, we all make mistakes from time to time.
47 posted on 10/14/2005 8:24:01 AM PDT by hyperkitty (DON'T PANIC)
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To: mlc9852
So possibly the crucifixion and resurrection are just analogies?

Without meaning to offend, if such a simple thing as a mathematical ratio can be wrong in the Bible, it certainly leaves open the door to doubt the absolute veracity in all details of events that were written down only many years, if not centuries, after they happened.

This is where faith comes in. A person *chooses* to believe with little or no verifiable evidence. That choice may be based on significant personal events that cannot be easily transmitted to another person. I am not saying that choice is wrong, only that belief in the Bible as literal and absolute truth can easily be shown to be incorrect.

In the case of the circumference of a circle, the question becomes: What are you going to believe? The Bible, or your lying eyes?

Most believers in an absolutely literal Bible will weasel out of this by figuring some way to interpret the passage given as not saying what it says.

48 posted on 10/14/2005 8:24:28 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: hyperkitty
You are absolutely correct, but, I don't claim to be inspired by God in my posts. Thank you for the correction, as I was going by memory.

It certainly points out how fallible memory can be, however. ;-)

49 posted on 10/14/2005 8:28:07 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Vaquero; ClearCase_guy
"But you have faith in words written down by a bunch of Bronze age, sandal wearing, goat herders. nice call."

With that "just-so" statement borne of ignorance, you have publically embarrassed yourself and landed on the list of those who deserve Calculated contempt

50 posted on 10/14/2005 8:28:34 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: WildHorseCrash

Well, my, my, my, don't we have a rather high opinion of ourself today?

CA....


51 posted on 10/14/2005 8:35:50 AM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Move along. Nothing of interest here.


52 posted on 10/14/2005 8:35:55 AM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: Matchett-PI
I laugh at your assumption of my embarrassment and summarily refuse you insipid little list.

have a nice day ; )~
53 posted on 10/14/2005 8:37:08 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. Heinlein)
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To: BMCDA; metmom
"It's more trust in the scientific method than in individual scientists. Most scientists aren't satisfied with a "Because I said so" answer either so they check the results of their peers and publish their findings if they deviate in any significant way from the original results. And scientists aren't very coy when it comes to exposing the errors of their colleagues"

What were Galileo's scientific and biblical conflicts with the Church?

"..it was a conflict between Copernican science and Aristotelian science.."

54 posted on 10/14/2005 8:43:30 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: marktwain

OTOH, a cubit isn't a real accurate unit of measure. It's the length of the forearm from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger; generally held to be about 18 inches. The supposed inaccuracy can be accounted for by simple rounding, which is used in our lives daily. If someone really wants to look for reasons to reject the Bible as being unreliable because of "inaccuracies" I suppose that one can find anything. We still say the sun rises and sets. We know it doesn't but everyone says it and no one is accused of lying. But it's generally just excuses to reject religion.


55 posted on 10/14/2005 8:43:46 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Vaquero; ClearCase_guy
"I laugh at your assumption of my embarrassment"

I knew you wouldn't have the sense to be embarrassed because your "just-so" statement about a subject you are in no way qualified to credibly comment on, revealed you to be totally clueless as to your difficulty, to wit:

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments"

56 posted on 10/14/2005 9:00:25 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: PatrickHenry

Awaiting a new discovery in China of a feather covered anthropoid 38 million years old. Hair is just modified feathers.


57 posted on 10/14/2005 9:11:43 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: mlc9852
Either the Bible is true or it isn't, unless you want to pick and choose what may be or may not be true, rendering the entire Bible useless, IMHO.

The Bible is a spiritual guide, not a science text. Some of the stories in it are parables, some aren't. (Don't stories about the "tree of life" and "tree of knowledge" kind of scream out PARABLE!! to you?)

In any case, the Bible cannot be a 100% totally true description of physical events, because it is not even 100% totally internally consistent - there are factual contradictions within. Also, I'm sure there are passages in the Bible that you already don't take literally - do you really think you should hate your immediate family as Jesus commanded in Luke 14:26?

The Bible is infinitely valuable as a spiritual guide, I believe, but as a concrete record of natural history? Hardly the Book's intention.

58 posted on 10/14/2005 9:14:13 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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To: Attillathehon
"For the record, Carl Sagan believed in evolution and God."

Actually, Sagan was an atheist. I do remember the Cosmos episode where he spoke about evolution; it was shown to my 9th grade biology class. It was a Catholic High School and my teacher was a nun. Excellent teacher btw; she taught us that evolution and religion were not enemies. She liked Sagan, but lamented that so bright a man was an atheist.
59 posted on 10/14/2005 9:17:41 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: metmom
OTOH, a cubit isn't a real accurate unit of measure.

Yes, and I've heard that the ancient Hebrews were really counting months instead of years when they passed on the ages of the patriarchs as well.

It just reinforces that the Bible cannot be counted on to answer questions of specific fact, especially in such things as the age of the earth.

I don't expect to convince devoted fundamentalists that the Bible is not the inspired word of God. I am trying to show that the Bible is not literal fact. Unfortunately, people who have invested their lives in this belief system will almost always find a way to rationalize any discrepancies. It is far easier to do this than to change the basis of their belief structure.

This unwillingness to change in the face of evidence is a fundamental part of human nature that has been demonstrated over and over throughout history.

Only severe, life changing crises have been shown to be capable of initiating a serious change in belief structures. Those that can be persuaded by evidence are a small minority.

60 posted on 10/14/2005 9:18:51 AM PDT by marktwain
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