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To: ohioWfan

First of all I'm not young, but thanks for the compliment. I didn't exactly spend a lot of time in choosing my name here.

Second, I have plenty of basis and like I said, if you want to go there, bring it on. So far his domestic agenda has centered around creating (not expanding, but creating) a new entitlement....something that hasn't been done since LBJ, and signing McCain Feingold. He chickened out of the big fight in abolishing the IRS (which would have been truly visionary). Spending has generally gone through the roof. He has consciously adopted a truly open borders policy which is unlike anything we have ever seen inthis country (ie, he actually sent a treaty to the Senate - it's going to be killed - which allows illegals to get social security well before Americans). His domestic agenda is not only not visionary, it is downright hostile to everything that conservatives are about.

Third, this thread is obviously about his domestic agenda, not his foreign policy. I can probably live with his agenda in the Middle East but that is not the issue here.

Fourth, and again I don't think anyone is going to seriously contest this, the guy really doesn't have the capacity to be much of a visionary. He has no grounding in history, no sense of where this country has come from and very little sens of where it ought to go. The guy probably hasn't read 5 books in his adult life and he can barely string sentences together. It is embarrassing. (But he still got better grades than Kerry...which says more about Kerry than GWB!)

The second and fourth points are just off the top of my head and that is why I say that he does not have the capacity to be truly imaginative or visionary. He just doesn't. That doesn't make him a bad man, or even in itself, a bad President. Calvin Coolidge was a great President precisely because he had so little imagination and vision. FDR was a horrible President because he had way too much.

Now....GWB does have some outstanding qualities. He is a good interpersonal politicker, or so I'm told. He knows how to hire people. He does play good poker and he is a helluva good campaigner, that is, when he is not debating or trying to give a speech (in those cases he is an embarrassment). He has shown some courage and backbone in the war on terror. He has genuine compassion for people. He would make a good neighbor, a guy you'd like to have a burger with.

My opinion in this regard is entirely substantiated. It is not skewed, nor is it limited. If anything it is downright charitable...he is, after all, our President. The shortcomings I am pointing out are obvious to a fair observer who is a conservative.


1,840 posted on 07/19/2005 3:20:03 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude
I cannot believe someone is so ignorant. Hi sundergraduate major at Yale was HISTORY. Almost everyone in the Republican party recognizes that he IS a visionary, even if they don't agree with him. He reads books all the time; he just doesn't BRAG about it like Clinton.

You are absolutely uninformed about the President's life and intellect and should just be quiet.

1,916 posted on 07/19/2005 3:33:22 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Karl Rove is Plame-proof.)
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To: ConservativeDude

This is the wrong thread to get into an argument about our Great President Bush, but it is wrong to let your "shot" about his not being a visionary left unresponded to.

President Bush's Liberty Doctrine IS visionary, and you will find that will be the controlling doctrine of the 21st Century. You have a lot of study to do if you don't comprehend how important this is. There is only one other policy in the nation's history that has been as controlling as the Liberty Doctrine will prove to be: the Monroe Doctrine.

The press hates it, the liberals discount it, those of isolationist bent disagree, even the Pope (John Paul) wasn't happy about President Bush's application of it, nevertheless, it will prove to be the only way Civilization can survive, and all civilized nations will eventually get on board with the U.S. - and President Bush has led the way.


1,931 posted on 07/19/2005 3:36:40 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: ConservativeDude
Oh, swell. You're not young, and you still call yourself 'dude.'

Sorry........I didn't read the rest of what you wrote.......... that part made me laugh so much that I figured the rest wasn't worth much either....

(Well, I did read that 'to the fair observer who is a conservative' part at the end, and started laughing again.....)

No more conversation about your skilled observations, Dude. It's off topic and boring.

2,106 posted on 07/19/2005 4:15:45 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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