Schwarzenegger urges governments to act on climate change (writes editorial for UK paper)

San Luis Obispo Tribune ^ | Jul. 02, 2005 | Associated Press

[calcowgirl]

LONDON - In a British newspaper editorial, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger urged governments - including that of President George W. Bush - to face up the reality of global warming.

"The debate is over," he wrote in Britain's Independent on Sunday newspaper.

"We know the science. We see the threat posed by changes in our climate. And we know the time for action is now."

Climate change is one of the major issues to be discussed at this week's summit of the G8 wealthy nations at Gleneagles in Scotland.

But reports suggest that Bush is blocking a deal on action to tackle it and that Washington is unwilling even to sign up to a document which states that global warming is occurring or that human activity is responsible for it.

Schwarzenegger did not mention Bush by name, but called on "governments everywhere" to join action to combat climate change.

He contradicted Bush's claims that taking action will damage the U.S. economy.

"Global warming threatens California's water supply, public health, agriculture, coastlines and forests - our entire economy and way of life," Schwarzenegger wrote.

"We have no choice but to take action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."

Schwarzenegger has vowed to make California a leader in the battle against global warming, calling on the state to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases while increasing use of renewable energy.

He believes that developing cutting-edge environmental technologies such as hydrogen fuel cells will conserve energy, curb pollution, protect natural resources - and be good for business.

Last month, Schwarzenegger signed an executive order that calls for reducing the state's emissions of greenhouse gases to 2000 levels by 2010, 1990 levels by 2020, and 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050.

"These steps are great for the environment but great for our economy, too," Schwarzenegger wrote in the Independent on Sunday.

"Many people have falsely assumed that you have to choose between protecting the environment and protecting the economy.

"Nothing could be further from the truth. In California, we will do both."

[My2Cents]

By the time the good old Irish recover the Hispanic labor lawyers from the LA basin will rule Democrat politics in the state.

I would guess that this might coincide with a resurgent GOP in Calif.

[nickcarraway]

Was it acceptable to have zero statewide Republican officeholders? I guess it was, because for maybe $20,000 or more we could have had a Republican controller now.

Was it okay with you to allow a Democrat to be elected to controller, rather than a minor exertion?

[Fledermaus]

What a moron. Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, that buys into this nonsense shouldn't be allowed to breathe the same air as sane people.

Have any of these "global warming" idiots ever bother to read elementary science and astronomy? The Earth (this small planet in a small solar system in a larger galaxy in an infinite, so far, universe) orbits the Sun and spins on it's axis rotating appox. once in every 24 hour period of sun up to sun down. It also tilts back and forth, back and forth creating "equinox" and thus climate change.

Sometimes this tilting every quarter year is more than in other times. So when it's summer in the northern hemisphere the Earth is titled towards the Sun so the top half of the planet gets maximum exposure to the radiation known as light and thus heat while actually being at it's farthest point away in it's elliptical orbit (apogee).

Now, ignoring the gazillion other factors that effect this radiation as it permeates towards the surface, this change it tilt over time can produce warmer summer and winter weather than "normal". The reverse is true during periods of cooling and even ice ages.

When I was growing up in elementary school in the 1960's the "conventional wisdom" was global cooling and the next ice age.

I doubt science, and the tilt of the planet, changed that drastically in 40 years.

And I think anyone that can buy into that kind of massive change in that short time on a planet billions of years old is a gullible fool. And when they are politicians trying to tax us for their foolishness they are evil and should be stopped.

[CheneyChick]

Pls remove me from your ping list.

[ken21]

right.

the dems are on their way back to the mess before arnold was elected.

[calcowgirl]

Exhibit 1--for the umpteenth time.

[calcowgirl]

When we discussed "conservatives" and "winning" I had thought we were speaking about "conservative politicians".

I believe he was talking about politicans. See his to you (post #74), to which there were no replies. It clearly shows that conservative politicians can win in California (and elsewhere) and debunks the GOP-liberal-wing mantra that a politician must be a moderate to have success.

I'm from Los Angeles County, and see nothing unique to Santa Cruz about to C.O.'s arguments. They apply throughout California if one looks at what is happening objectively.

[Carry_Okie]

I could kick myself.

Apology accepted (I mean it).

Now that I've looked at your Freep Profile page, I understand why it has appeared to me we are discoursing "past each other".

You can't imagine how much I confuse and confound the leftist greenies. They know that I know what I'm talking about. They know that I do more to care for nature in a year than they've done in a lifetime. And they can't stand it when I accuse them of causing enormous environmental problems and of being witless tools of big corporations.

I have friends in Santa Cruz with property they cannot build on because of "legally" sacred trees.

Don't get me started. I know these greedy, cowardly, and dysfunctional thugs way too well.

I'm a very different sort, a true conservative who understands the cowardly dishonesty of many conservative positions and how it costs them more than they know. The problem is that "moderates," although they understand the problem with conservative hypocrisy, go about fixing it with unconstitutional (and immoral) socialist coercion because they don't know any better. They have a clue of how markets in assets that offtset risks could work, but too easily fall prey to the way government power can conveniently become a source of fun and profit (the guys who call "carbon credits" a "free market" belong in jail for fraud).

There is a key concept that neither side understands, necessary to rendering intangible assets into property such that contracts for their use can be traded and priced. The idea is to use what engineers and scientists call transfer functions as legal descriptions of natural assets. The book goes into great detail about discounted risk, pooling, flexible boundaries, opening tolerances, and reducing transaction overhead are key to rendering them sufficiently fluid to work correctly. How they might be legally recognized as property I'll discuss with you if you read the monster first.

Have you marketed your book to very many conservative politicians in cA?

I can't get the time of day from those people, although there are a few staffers who know me. I'm a nobody who's out of money to market anything and too busy restoring my land (in order to deal with the greens from a position of moral authority among other reasons) to invest the kind of time it would take to promote it. So, I wrote it on the presumption that it would have to sell itself, which it has not. The book is simply too thoughtful and comprehensive for most distracted and busy people to adsorb.

I PO'd Pombo at Eco-Logic for his ESA "Reforms" but he's since adopted many of my suggestions. A couple of Wally Herger's people gave me a listen. My guess is that the rest trashed the copies they accepted or handed them off to staffers who did the same.

Henry Lamb tried to help. He was very generous with his time and support, but told me it might take fifty years for what I'm talking about to come to fruition, which coincides with my opinion. Some of his followers got awfully jumpy at what I was saying (see "hypocrisy"). One called me a NWO SPY!!! (LOL! Where's the bank account I don't know about?)

There are some folks in Arizona and New Mexico taking what I'm saying seriously, but I don't think they get the big picture, especially the legal details in the back of the book.

Think tanks are just as bad. They're too busy raising money to think, much less help anybody, although Frontiers of Freedom did try but couldn't raise any money. Fred Smith at CEI gave a draft a read, but couldn't get his own people to pay attention. His son, RJ, is a lost cause. He thinks he knows everything, as do the folks at PERC.

I must have given the book to a hundred academics. Most of them were intimidated because it is so multidisciplinary and some were disdainful because I don't have a PhD. Those who were teaching and liked it told me that their students were too badly educated to even read it.

The most common reaction I get from property rights groups is, "Let me know when you've done what you're reccommending." So, that's what I'm doing.

You've an impressive list of people who commend your book.

Serious knowledgeable people from both sides, yep. I recommend the book to you, but I warn you, it's a long and emotionally draining read, written to prove a thesis and educate people capable of DOING something, more than it was written to be popular. There are parts that are funny though. If you care about wildlands, and you can't laugh at the mess the greens are making of them, you'd get way too depressed to do anything about it and throw the book at the wall when confronting the scope of the problems and the depth of elitist perfidy.

[Carry_Okie]

It's a good thread.

You might want to peruse it.

[One_who_hopes_to_know]

Your skepticism is definitely a valuable asset and I applaud your reticence as consipracy theories will always abound on both the right and the left.

However those that believe conspiracies never exist are just as looney.

This comes from the testimony of an Arkansas state trooper. I do not vouch for the veracity other than to say that this man had no motive to say this.

It deserves a solid investigation. I repeat it simply because, as I said, this man had no motive to say this.

[Carry_Okie]

There were so many jokes about Arnold being California's Kennedy by marriage, but it looks like the joke really is on us.

You know how I tried to warn people about Arnold. It wasn't just advocacy for McClintock; I had genuine concerns about his duplicitous character. Even when he was a bodybuilder he was contemptuous of his competitors, working to put the psych on them rather than focus on his own game. A man like this with police power concerns me:

“My relationship to power and authority is that I’m all for it,” he once explained. “People need somebody to watch over them.... Ninety-five percent of the people in the world need to be told what to do and how to behave.” -- Arnold Schwarzenegger, U.S. News & World Report, Nov 26, 1990

Such are the words of an enthusiastic and authentic fascist. There is no other rational description.

[calcowgirl]

Here is one for the quote collection:

"Dear Mr. Reagan, it should be obvious to you now that you can never be elected governor.

Please put aside your ego, for the good of our party, and get behind the one man who is moderate enough to appeal to California voters.

San Francisco Mayor George Christopher."
Look Magazine 1966

[editor-surveyor]

"Such are the words of an enthusiastic and authentic fascist. There is no other rational description."

A friend of mine was Arnold's work-out partner about 20 years ago. The stories he told during the recall election period, about the things that Arnold would spout during their workout, were unbelivable.

[editor-surveyor]

"Dear Mr. Reagan, it should be obvious to you now that you can never be elected governor."

I was 21 in the summer of '66. I knew that he was going to be our next governor, and eventually president. The speech he had delivered at the '64 convention had inspired me, and hundreds like me in CoCo County to work long days for weeks on end to get the vote out.

'Mudderates' have never contributed anything, and never will!

[SierraWasp]

Hay dude!!! Check yer FReep mail box, will ya???

[montag813]

Schwarzenegger urges governments to act on climate change

Act how? By installing giant air-conditioners? Humans have no effect on the warming and cooling trends of the Earth. We are currently in a warming phase which has been going on since the last ice age, thousands of years before the invention of the combustion engine. To say we are at all-time high temperatures due to man-made "global warming" is like me saying that the Yahoo's stock is at all-time high based on the following chart...

While ignoring THIS chart...

Similarly, pseudo-scientists show us charts like THIS to "prove" global warming...

When in fact the temperatures now are a return to normal temperatures which existed during Medieval times, after a period of 500 years during which the Northern climates experienced unusually cold temperatures...

And for greater perspective...

[Carry_Okie]

That's a keeper!

Do you have a definitive online source for it?

[Carry_Okie]

The stories he told during the recall election period, about the things that Arnold would spout during their workout, were unbelivable.

A vulgar, racist, sexist, basher of homosexuals, and more.

[calcowgirl]

That's a keeper! Do you have a definitive online source for it?

No, I actually thinked I snipped it from freeper TomasUSMC's homepage a couple years ago, lol.

Maybe he can confirm the source.

[Carry_Okie]

Google comes up with TomasUSMC's page as the only source for that quote on the Internet.