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1 posted on 06/25/2005 6:38:32 PM PDT by blam
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It was found in the cartonnage of an Egyptian mummy, the flexible layer of fibre or papyrus which was moulded while wet into a plaster-like surface around the irregular parts of a mummified wrapped body, so that motifs could be painted on.

Am I missing something? It was found in a mummy wrapping?

If it was such a great poem why was it found there, and why was another piece found in a garbage dump?

2 posted on 06/25/2005 6:46:34 PM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Senate)
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Is the newly found poem online anywhere??


3 posted on 06/25/2005 6:54:00 PM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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I hear it's called "Ode to Hillary"


4 posted on 06/25/2005 6:55:11 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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To: blam
So where is it? At 101 words we can read it for ourselves without someone else telling me how beautiful it is
6 posted on 06/25/2005 6:58:23 PM PDT by Nateman (Where's the beef?)
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To: blam
Was the poem about a major bad hair day and dressing in bizarre clothing? Never thought Greeks ran around in ragged bras but I maybe wrong.

Thanks for all you do! I love your posts. Your effort is appreciated.

8 posted on 06/25/2005 7:01:02 PM PDT by lizma
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Didn't Sappho created lesbianism?


9 posted on 06/25/2005 7:02:15 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: blam

The article in TLS is here:

http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.aspx?story_id=2111206

Here's West's translation of the poem:

"[You for] the fragrant-blossomed Muses’ lovely gifts
[be zealous,] girls, [and the] clear melodious lyre:

[but my once tender] body old age now
[has seized;] my hair’s turned [white] instead of dark;

my heart’s grown heavy, my knees will not support me,
that once on a time were fleet for the dance as fawns.

This state I oft bemoan; but what’s to do?
Not to grow old, being human, there’s no way.

Tithonus once, the tale was, rose-armed Dawn,
love-smitten, carried off to the world’s end,

handsome and young then, yet in time grey age
o’ertook him, husband of immortal wife."


10 posted on 06/25/2005 7:02:32 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: blam
Hmmm, lesbians. Yummy.
11 posted on 06/25/2005 7:08:32 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: blam

P-ing


12 posted on 06/25/2005 7:09:20 PM PDT by Feiny (I put the purrr in freeper, baby)
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Sappho's pre-eminent reputation as an artist of lyricism and love is based on only three complete poems, 63 complete single lines and up to 264 fragments.

If she was so damn great, somebody should have taken the time to write all of her crap down someplace other than a mummy.

13 posted on 06/25/2005 7:11:09 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: blam

This is really interesting -- thanks, great post.


19 posted on 06/25/2005 8:06:30 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: blam

And finally, to address this nonsense about Sappho creating "lesbianism" and whatnot, it's based on the fact that she was the teacher or mistress of a group of young women, in much the same way as Socrates was the teacher and master of a group of young men. This does not necessarily mean she engaged in sexual relationships with women (and in fact she was married). Nonetheless, this idea has been propigated for several centuries now-hence the origin of the word "lesbian".


23 posted on 06/25/2005 8:14:30 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs"

I will ping the GGG list until July 2, 2005, during SunkenCiv's temporary absence from the board.

If you see articles appropriate for the GGG ping list, please ping me.


26 posted on 06/25/2005 8:41:30 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: blam
Oh baby, baby
Oh baby, baby Oh baby, baby
How was I supposed to know
That something wasn't right here
Oh baby baby
I shouldn't have let you go
And now you're out of sight, yeah
Show me, how you want it to be
Tell me baby
'Cause I need to know now what we've got

[CHORUS:]
My loneliness is killing me
I must confess, I still believe
When I'm not with you I lose my mind
Give me a sign
Hit me baby one more time

Oh baby, baby
The reason I breathe is you
Boy you got me blinded
Oh baby, baby
There's nothing that I wouldn't do
That's not the way I planned it
Show me, how you want it to be
Tell me baby
'Cause I need to know now what we've got

[Repeat CHORUS]

Oh baby, baby
Oh baby, baby
Ah, yeah, yeah
Oh baby, baby
How was I supposed to know
Oh pretty baby
I shouldn't have let you go
I must confess, that my loneliness
Is killing me now
Don't you know I still believe
That you will be here
And give me a sign
Hit me baby one more time

[Repeat CHORUS]

I must confess that my loneliness
Is killing me now
Don't you know I still believe
That you will be here
And give me a sign
Hit me baby one more time

27 posted on 06/25/2005 9:01:36 PM PDT by Libloather (I trust Hillary as far as I can throw her...)
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To: blam

This is, after all, a big deal. Like finding a new sonnet of Shakespeare's.


29 posted on 06/25/2005 10:14:53 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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All this and no poem.

What a gyp.


43 posted on 06/26/2005 2:53:54 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: blam
Here is the Times Literary Supplement article by Martin West.

The last bit of it reads as follows:

Here is the poem in my own restoration and translation. The words in square brackets are supplied by conjecture.

"[You for] the fragrant-blossomed Muses’ lovely gifts [be zealous,] girls, [and the] clear melodious lyre:

[but my once tender] body old age now [has seized;] my hair’s turned [white] instead of dark;

my heart’s grown heavy, my knees will not support me, that once on a time were fleet for the dance as fawns.

This state I oft bemoan; but what’s to do? Not to grow old, being human, there’s no way.

Tithonus once, the tale was, rose-armed Dawn, love-smitten, carried off to the world’s end,

handsome and young then, yet in time grey age o’ertook him, husband of immortal wife."

We know of several poems in which Sappho spoke of herself as getting on in years. Here she addresses a group of younger women or girls, whom she calls (to translate literally) “children”, contrasting their blithe singing and dancing with her own heaviness of heart and limb. It is clear from other evidence that she composed her poetry, or most of it, within an intimate circle of women whom she calls her “companions”. Her house is a house of moisopoloi, “servants of the Muses”. Later writers saw her as a chorus-leader or teacher, to whom people of class in several cities sent their daughters for a musical education. We cannot tell how accurate a construction this is, but it must have been based on the impression given by the poems, and it is consistent with what we know.

In the new poem, however, the focus is on Sappho herself. She recites the symptoms of her ageing, as in another famous poem she recites the physical symptoms of jealous love. Then comes philosophical reflection. In the love poem she tells herself that everything is endurable, because fortunes can be transformed at God’s pleasure. In the new poem she tells herself that growing old is part of the human condition and there is nothing to be done about it. This truth is illustrated, as typically in Greek lyric, by a mythical example. It is a tale that was popular at the time, the story of Tithonus, whom the Dawn-goddess took as her husband. At her request, Zeus granted him immortality, but she neglected to ask that he should also have eternal youth, so he just grew ever older and feebler. Finally she shut him up in his room, where he chatters away endlessly but barely has the strength to move.

Sappho is very economical with the myth, giving it just four lines and ending the poem with it. At first sight it might seem a lame ending. But the final phrase gives a poignant edge to the whole. Tithonus lived on, growing ever more grey and frail, while his consort remained young and beautiful – just as Sappho grows old before a cohort of protégées who, like undergraduates, are always young. The poem is a small masterpiece: simple, concise, perfectly formed, an honest, unpretentious expression of human feeling, dignified in its restraint. It moves both by what it says and by what it leaves unspoken. It gives us no ground for thinking that Sappho’s poetic reputation was undeserved.

45 posted on 06/26/2005 3:13:50 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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oh fans of sappho....


56 posted on 11/17/2005 12:41:24 PM PST by xsmommy
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65 posted on 11/17/2005 1:08:20 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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Sappho at 40:

Sappho at 80:


66 posted on 11/17/2005 1:20:31 PM PST by Night Hides Not (1 John 3:18 (my interpretation: Deeds, Not Words"))
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