[blam]

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[fire and forget]

Very interesting read on the human bottleneck and the Toba eruption can be found at http://www.andaman.org/book/app-r/ch5_bottleneck/textr5.htm.

Good post, thanks.

[Bernard Marx]

Bump for later. Fascinating, blam.

[Coyoteman]

Absolutely fascinating, good post!!

I was not able to get the references (pop-ups and lots of other things blocked), and will have to dig them out in other ways and then reconcile them with that I thought I knew. In any case, this is educational, immensely entertaining, and thought provoking. Might even be right; that would be even better.

If only more scientists/anthropologists could do this well the Luddites and other anti-science folks would really be on the run!

[pabianice]

Homo sapiens , of course, arrived in the Andaman islands much later than 73,000 years ago. Recent genetic work (Endicott et al. 2003) has dated the coalescent process of the mtDNA lineage M2 of haplogroup M of the Andamanese Negrito people to 63,000 +/- 6,000 years ago and the Andamanese M4 lineage to 32,000+/-7,500 years. These dates do not tell us when the ancestral Andamanese actually reached the islands. They must have survived the YTT event somewhere on the mainland of Asia, Sundaland upwind from Toba, or Africa. The Negrito are thought to have been the earliest modern Homo sapiens to reach (or survive Toba in) Asia. They settled the Andaman islands either after the coalescence of the genetic M4 lineage or the coalescence took place somewhere on the Asian mainland with colonization of the islands following later. Whether there have ever been Negritos in the Nicobars is unknown but is now thought unlikely on genetic grounds. The islands were settled relatively recently (some few thousand years ago) by Mon-Khmer speaking Mongolid people, mostly from mainland Asia with some lesser components from Indonesian groups.

Oopsie. You have two scientists, you get three opinions.

[PGalt]

Interesting post. Thanks.

[LiteKeeper]

YEC INTREP

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Blam.

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[Junior]

A "this is really cool" ping.

[shuckmaster]

Anatomically correct humans are designed to run an average 50+ miles a day over a short (2-4 weeks) period and jog an average of at least 20+ miles a day over an extended (near permanent) period. Based on Darwin, bipedal (4 million years ago) ape-like humans wouldn't have evolved into long distance running/jogging machines unless such long distance running was long established as an essential to their survival. Do the math. An entire tribe of humans is quite capable of jogging from Africa to China or vice-versa in a single season with 4 million seasons to beat the path. There was never any reason for humans to come out of any particular place. Their kin were already all over the planet before Oppenheimer's Eve was born

All Oppenheimer is doing is tracing one family line over 160,000 years. Ghengis Kahn is well on the way to accomplishing that same task in a fraction of the time.

[Unam Sanctam]

He obviously believes in the pre-Clovis theory.

[MattinNJ]

Fascinating. Thanks for the ping. I was watching this show on the Discovery Channel on Ghenghis Khan. IIRC they said Khan and his offspring raped so many women that 1 out of every 10 people can trace their lineage directly back to him.