DCF: Schiavo Not Abused Or Exploited

The Associated Press ^ | April 16, 2005

[hershey]

Muslim terrorists did in 3000 innocents in NY, and yes, they're 'ethnic cleansing' in the Sudan, etc.. In short order, I expect they'll come after us all, but I can't pick up a gun and go to Africa personally, so I try to be informed and I vote. The sad truth is that our health system is overwhelmed and something has to give. One of my friends with a mute, retarded son worries about his fate when she's gone and nobody cares. I'm not saying that Muslim atrocities in Sudan, etc. aren't worthy of discussion, they are. Why not talk about all of this?

[yellowdoghunter]

I read the story and your comment. I don't plan to read the rest because no telling who showed up. It does not matter what these report say, what the autopsy will or will not say.

It is still wrong to starve someone to death for weeks. Nothing will ever make that right.

[hershey]

Abrams must be making more money on tv.

[grassboots.org]

I seem to recall hearing that those bone scans were taken early in her illness, not after "years of immobility". Anyone else remeber hearing that? Yes, the scans were after only a year of "immobility"

[DustyMoment]

The testimony of those radiologists who contradicted Greer's finding (as noted in the court order) was suppressed. That's why you are only getting part of the story by clinging to what Greer issued, not by getting access to all of the documents.

Greer overruled and suppressed a wealth of evidence and testimony that contradicted by approximately 3:1 the evidence and testimony he allowed. And, since he sealed the records, we won't be able to access them and prove it one way or another, will we?

Now, why do you think Greer would do that?

[queenkathy]

That report states that there was a guardian named Dr. Pearse who didn't think MS was clear and convincing that Terri had told him she would want to die than to live in PVS (paraphrased by me). This Dr. seems to be representing what the parents said.

But MS didn't like what the DR said and found himself some others to agree with him. Very interesting. I had never known about Dr. Pearse and what he thought of the whole thing. It looks like he was pressured to step down from his responsiblity as guardian.

[conservlib]

Typical liberal strategy -- CHANGE THE SUBJECT !!! Indeed . . . Liberalism is a dangerous mental disorder !!! ;-))

My dear, it is not liberal or conservative. Schiavo is a criminal case in which I have no interest. There are judges, and lawyers, and witnesses, and evidences to consider before rendering judgment. I will go with whatever the court has to order, even if it is stupid. The court in this case was evidently mistaken to starve this woman to death, simply because it is a barbaric way to die.

Now, about your calling me liberal? I guess I may have some liberal views, but I also have much more conservative views than liberal views. The difference between my conservative views and the ones on Fox network, is mine are real conservative real Christian, and theirs are dominated by neoconservatives, and Born Again type. I hope that explained a little my position. I rather worry myself about the defenseless millions who are oppressed, and being mowed down by barbaric Muslim governments.

[Peach]

Wrong. You couldn't be more wrong.

#1. Terri didn't have a heart attack so NOT one doctor testified to that.

#2. She was clearly diagnosed at admission as having had cardiac arrest.

#3. Tell me one, just one, piece of evidence that Greer supressed. I'll wait.

#4. The parents and their attorneys admitted under oath the bone scan was never hidden from them. Their words under oath and their words on television contradict reality. You have to wonder...if they have to lie on television to have their position strengthened, what kind of position do they have anyway?
The Schindler atty admitted the bone scan had been available to them and did not even try to say it was kept secret:
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder11-02-scan.pdf

[Peach]

She has had multiple EEGs, the latest in 2002, and all were consistent with PVS - the report stated "no recognizable cerebral activity" even upon inducing painful stimuli. Bambakadis disputed the term "no activity" and said he it as severely abnormal and typical of PVS.

(Note - I don't know if she is PVS or not - just showing why the judges ruled the way they have.)

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*The only 2 doctors in the last 15 years (including 9 neurologists) who said she wasn't PVS after actually examining her in person were both alternative medicine docs hired by her parents:

- A radiologist, Maxwell(who couldn't accurately define PVS or distinguish it from coma in the trial)

- the neurologist, Hammesfahr, who said she wasn't PVS even before he examined her, and has very little credibility after his intentionally misleading claims of a number of things - like outright lying about being a Nobel prize nominee, for just one example. See below for more about this character.

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When it comes to recovery, actually coma patients are much better off. They can wake up years later and have great recovery.

When someone comes out of a coma, but remains uncommunicative, the prognosis depends on the age of the patient, and what caused their injury. Children and those with traumatic head injuries have a better prognosis than those with an anoxic injury.

Patients who show no signs of consciousness after their eyes open usually fit the criteria for the vegetative state(VS). Persistent vegetative state (PVS) is a prognostic term that refers to a chronic condition in which basic arousal (i.e., wakefulness) and life-sustaining functions (e.g., respiration, blood pressure) are generally intact, despite the absence of behavioral signs of meaningful interaction with the environment. The American Academy of Neurology recently adopted the position that the VS should be termed "persistent" at 1 month, and considered "permanent" after 3 months following non traumatic causes of unconsciousness and after 12 months following traumatic injury [27]. However, rare exceptions to this have been cited. Merck
The longest documented is 3 years.

[kingattax]

if its more than $ 25 a week it's too much

[MHGinTN]

The doctors who treated Terri following her collapse have stated clearly that she did not present elevated enzymes which indicate a myocardial infarction.

The bonescan done just over a year after Terri's collapse show multiple trauma to bones that had healed by the time of the scan. To try and mischaracterize that scan is a telling indicator.

I'm wondering why you work so hard to try and dismiss anything that calls into question this execution of a disabled woman? It's beginning to appear downright ghoulish of you!

[DustyMoment]

The bone scane was NOT taken secretly. It did NOT show the broken bones you allege. The parents admitted under oath the bone scan was never withheld from them.

Prove it!!! Patricia Anderson has stated otherwise and it is in the records that Greer has suppressed.

[Fam4Bush]

"By name only. But, I still will defend Christianity and its values, against the barbaric Muslims.."

Christian in name only is a tuff one for me to embrace; a CINO, I guess...

Thank you for the defense anyway of Christianity...ummm, does one have to be Muslim to be barbaric?

The Christian's Lord is savior and shepherd not only of the flock, but of the sole lost sheep. Whether it has wandered from Him, or is a neglected/unnurtured lamb, He seeks and saves it. Your compassion for the millions of Sudanese is admirable, but would be even more so were it for the individual, as well...do you see?

[Peach]

Show me one person whose medical testimony was discarged.

[Peach]

I think it's downright sad that freepers, who rely on WND, instead of court testimony of doctors who treated her, have to mischaracterize other freepers and both lawyers, judges and DCF in order to make their case.

[kingattax]

peach.....bottom line....do you personally agree that her feeding tube being removed was the right thing to do ?

[Peach]

I've only posted it two or three times. How many times would you like me to post it?

The Schindler atty admitted the bone scan had been available to them and did not even try to say it was kept secret:
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder11-02-scan.pdf

[queenkathy]

That makes sense. Thanks. I try not to think about it too much because I get irrate. Too many "connections". Too much $$ involved. Just seems funny that a court of law would believe something "said".. I think that at the first court hearing MS said he was the only one Terri told that to, then conveniently, his brother and sister in law came forward at the second one and suddenly "remembered" that Terri told them the same thing.

The judge completely ignored any evidence to the contrary. Even her own guardian Dr. Pearse

[Peach]

It's not up to me. Feeding tubes are removed every single day of the week all year long from patients who have had massive strokes, are PVS, are brain dead, etc. For a multitude of reasons, feedings tubes are removed and it's been a decision left between doctors and the family.

The ONLY reason this has become such a large issue is because the parents and husband disagreed in this matter.