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Routine returns a sense of calm (Nurse Aignes admits Terri had feelings!!)
www.sptimes.com ^ | 4/2/05 | Halls

Posted on 04/02/2005 3:04:50 PM PST by Halls

PINELLAS PARK - The room was quiet Friday. The stuffed animals and family pictures were gone. The air mattress that protected her skin from bedsores is neatly covered with a pink and blue blanket.

Only a few clues marked her passing: a bouquet of flowers, still fresh in their vase. An electric candle, ceramic angel and farewell note left by the staff.

Four boxes of facial tissues were strewn on two chairs.

For the first time in five years Friday, life at Hospice House Woodside went on without Terri Schindler Schiavo.

About 50 patients were fed and bathed. An elderly woman with cancer died just before noon. Workers who helped keep Schiavo alive for so long reined in their emotions and plowed through another day.

"It's been very hard watching a circus outside and be there with her while she was dying," said Susan Agines, a senior nursing supervisor. "I think what finally did it was when the juggler came. To me it was ... awful."

Hospice workers are accustomed to death. Their job is to help families through it. But never has the journey exacted such a toll as this one, said Woodside manager Becky McAllister.

For two weeks, nurses, aides and volunteers had to pass through yelling throngs to get to work. Angry voices accused them of murder.

"Today, we are feeling a mixture of relief, exhaustion and satisfaction that we were able to take care of her as well as we did," McAllister said, "and pride in our staff that we were able to continue in spite of having to run this gantlet."

Losing a patient is never easy, McAllister said. Hospice workers deal with patients and families on intimate levels and tend to get attached.

One patient always walked around with a red mark on his cheek, bragging about his daily kiss from the receptionist. An AIDS patient, after several days of extensive wound treatment, told staff that "no one would ever touch him before that," McAllister said. "He felt loved here."

The bonds with Terri Schiavo also were strong. Her five-year stay was two years longer than any other patient. She originally came in 2000 after Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer ordered her feeding tube removed for the first time. People expected her to die soon, but litigation stretched on and on.

The staff took pride that she never developed a bedsore. With twice as many nursing aides per patient than the average nursing home, Woodside workers were able to turn her every two hours.

"She wasn't able to verbalize," said Agines, the nursing supervisor. "But if she was uncomfortable, because the staff had been with her so long, we knew. If she moved, we knew what it meant. We knew when she should settle down with a different piece of music."

For five years, the staff also made connections with Terri's two families - her birth family and marriage family. Some of the staff had moral reservations about removing her feeding tube, others were fine with it, McAllister said. But they were trained to keep those feelings to themselves and try to support everyone equally.

"I said, "This isn't my battle,"' Agines said. "I'm there as a nurse caring for patient. I am caring for the wife of Michael Schiavo, the daughter of Bob and Mary Schindler and the sister to Suzanne and Bobby."

Agines, McAllister and Hospice of the Florida Suncoast president Mary Labyak said their biggest regret was not helping Michael Schiavo and the Schindler family bury their differences, at least long enough for everyone to be present at her death.

Family members have given conflicting versions of what transpired in Schiavo's last few hours Thursday, and the hospice workers declined to elaborate, citing confidentiality.

About 7,000 people die a year under Hospice of the Florida Suncoast care, mostly at home and in nursing homes, Labyak said. Conflict is common as families decide when to treat infections, when to put in feeding tubes, when to disconnect ventilators, when to sign do-not-resuscitate orders.

Mediating disputes "is a way of life for us," Labyak said.

The Schiavo case is the only one she could remember where disagreements kept family members from a bedside at death.

"What saddened us with Terri was all our hoping for reconciliation," Agines said. "To see a family so torn and divided ... I think that was the hardest."

Labyak said it was too early to assess the financial impact of the publicity and furor. She has seen no significant effect on donations.

"Some people wrote letters and said they were not going to donate anymore because they were against" the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube, Labyak said. "Others sent contributions because they said they were proud of what we were doing."

Woodside, with room for 70 patients, is a small part of Hospice's $90-million-a-year operations. Hospice paid about $40,000 for off-duty Pinellas Park police officers to provide security, in addition to officers assigned there by the Police Department, Labyak said. That money came from a "quality of life" reserve fund that usually fulfills last wishes such as helping one patient fly to Peru to visit her mother.

Lasting impact on potential clients is yet to be discerned.

"If anything, I fear that when people need us, they will think of hospice as those signs, those statements, instead of the compassion and dignity and we will not have people dying well in our community because of something they saw on TV," Labyak said. "That would be the ultimate tragedy."

Dr. Theresa Buck, the staff physician, understands the danger. Her own mother and step-mother refused to believe her assessment of Schiavo's condition because of what they saw on television.

"They said she is talking and asking for things," Buck said. "I had dinner with them Wednesday night and couldn't convince them that's not true. And I'm here every day."

Gulfport resident Delys Cavalaro, 82, loves how hospice workers are treating her. "We smile at each other. It's a bond. We don't see many frowns," said Cavalaro, who has breast cancer.

She has a living will and does not want to be kept alive through a feeding tube. "I want to go peacefully. If God chooses to let us live a little longer, I guess that's good fortune."

But she also feels for Mary Schindler. She never met Michael Schiavo, but wished "he would have given her back to her mother. It would have solved a lot of problems."

Jane Burnham knows Michael Schiavo, who lived at Woodside after his wife's feeding tube was removed March 18. His room was next door to the room where Burnham's mother, Betty, 74, lives as she copes with chronic lung disease.

Jane Burnham and Michael Schiavo talked every day.

The day Terri Schiavo died, Burnham's mother was reeling under an infection and was not eating. As they left the hospice, Michael and his brother Brian stopped to say goodbye.

"With all that going on in his life, he knew I was having a rough day," Burnham said. "He came by and gave me a hug and said I was in his thoughts and prayers. He is the nicest man."

Burnham said protesters often yelled at her during her daily visits to her mother. "They have called us murderers," she said. "They say, "Why are you going to go in there where they kill people?' They have no idea what really goes on in here."

McAllister said she expects a new patient to take over Schiavo's room on Monday. It's in the back of the building and looks out over 9 pine-wooded acres. Sometimes, people hold memorial services out there, and weddings, including one between two patients, McAllister said. Afterward the staff welded their hospital beds together.

What you can't see from Schiavo's room is the front of the hospice, where protesters bore witness for two weeks. On Friday, only a few remained.


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To: Oberon

"I'll take the doctor's word over that of a nursing supervisor...
I'm not at all certain that's a valid choice."

Doctors are like managers in a big company. They do not see the day to day. They read charts and prescribe drugs. Nurses have the contact and do the work.

Doctors mostly sign orders and prescriptions.


142 posted on 04/02/2005 6:21:23 PM PST by JSteff
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To: Halls

Exactly!

Scumbags. Just like the Nazis, those nurses can participate in starving people and rationalize it.


143 posted on 04/02/2005 6:21:58 PM PST by freecopper01
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To: Halls; Scoop 1; Pegita
how is it that Euthanasia slipped into law this way with out notice of our leaders?

Apparently, it hasn't.

According to my post #128, the Pennsylvania Court of Common Pleas justified its termination of nutrition and hydration, by ordering a hospice to withhold such, by stating it was authorized to do so according to this:

Noting that Fiori's life was without content much less quality, the court ordered the nursing home to end all nutrition, hydration, medication, and other life-sustaining procedures. The court based its decision on a best interests standard derived from a report of the President's Commission for the Study of Ethical Problems in Medicine and Biomedical and Behavioral Research.

When I googled that in, this is a website it took me to, some with available documents. THEY ARE VERY LONG.....one is about 180 pages in length....obviously, I haven't read them....but, if the Court in Pennsylvania is stating they get their authorization to withhold nutrition and hydration, due to the President's commission (George H.W. Bush), to CONGRESS. Therefore, somewhere that language to withhold nutrition/hydration is in one of those documents, maybe more. There are letters in at least a couple of them addressed to then President George H. W. Bush and members of Congress were involved with this, as well.

President's Commission for the Study of Ethical Problems in Medicine and Biomedical and Behavioral Research

This Congressionally mandated group was formed in 1978, succeeding the National Commission for the Protection of Human Subjects of Biomedical and Behavioral Research. It worked independently from January 1980 to March 1983.

    * Defining Death (1981) (pdf format)
    * Protecting Human Subjects (1981)
    * Whistleblowing in Biomedical Research (1981)
    * IRB Guidebook (1981)
    * Compensating for Research Injuries (1982)
    * Splicing Life: The Social and Ethical Issues of
      Genetic Engineering with Human Being (Nov 1982)(pdf format)
    * Making Health Care Decisions (1982-83) (Nov 1982) (pdf format)
    * Deciding to Forego Life-Sustaining Treatment (1983) [NOTE:  NOT AVAILABLE AT SITE]
    * Implementing Human Research Regulations (1983)
    * Screening and Counseling for Genetic Conditions: The
      Ethical, Social, and Legal Implications of Genetic
      Screening, Counseling, and Education Programs (Feb
      1983) (pdf format)
    * Screening and Counseling for Genetic Conditions: The
      Ethical, Social, and Legal Implications of Genetic
      Screening, Counseling, and Education Programs (Feb
      1983) (pdf format)
    * Securing Access to Health Care (1983) (pdf format)
    * Summing Up (1983) (pdf format)

144 posted on 04/02/2005 6:23:16 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: george wythe

Considering flash mobs are used for everything from protests to infiltration....

I wouldn't lend weight to >>>Schindlers' supporters weren't very nice to patients' relatives.<<<. We have no idea who was doing what there.

Or do you actually think it was any of Terri's supporters that was doing the juggling?


145 posted on 04/02/2005 6:23:44 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: jewell
No one can tell me that Terri could not receive love, enjoy music and live out her natural life with her parents. I have seen it done, and very successfully.

Certainly. What some people fail to grasp is that working with such people takes a lot of hours over a lot of days/months/years. Nurses and nursing staff can do this. Doctors, by the nature of their job, generally cannot.

Although I don't know how one could prevent abuse of the system by the submission of "phony" PVS cases, one thing I'd like to see would be a rule that would require that, before a patient could be declared PVS, they'd have to be examined for some period of time by doctors who would be paid if, and only if, they could provide a certain level of proof that the patients in question weren't PVS. Although the exact means of proof would vary from patient to patient, a typical method of proof might be to hook the patient to a polygraph and show them a series of randomly-sequenced photographs at 30 second intervals. The photographs would be chosen by the doctor as falling into two categories, but the sequence would be random. The doctor would not be shown the sequence of photographs but would receive the polygraph record. The doctor's job would then be to determine which photographs were in which class by examining the polygraph. If the doctor could do this with an accuracy level significantly above chance, that would prove the patient wasn't PVS.

Although one would have to ensure that the system wasn't abused by doctors who had phony PVS patients admittd for testing (so they could reap the rewards for finding them non-PVS) such a system would be much better than the present one insofar as doctors would have a strong incentive to find proof that patients weren't PVS.

146 posted on 04/02/2005 6:26:18 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: freecopper01
Scumbags. Just like the Nazis, those nurses can participate in starving people and rationalize it.

Every single one of those nurses had to knew very well, that whether Terri was PVS or not, was the central point in determining whether she could be killed. AND THEY REMAINED SILENT, JUST TO KEEP THEIR JOBS!

147 posted on 04/02/2005 6:32:50 PM PST by MrDem (Monthly special: Will write OPUS's on a non-fee basis for all 'Activist Freepers')
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To: Blzbba
"I just still put more faith in the words of someone with more medical training and knowledge than a nurse..."

You haven't been around hospitals much, have you? While my mom suffered 2 years from a terminal illness, we saw that the nurses knew just as much as the doctors, and sometimes even more! How long has this Dr been practicing medicine? How long have the nurses been working with patients? I'll take a seasoned nurse over some of the doctors we dealt with any time.

One doctor said, "Your mom could like, die, if this occurs." "Like, die"? We weren't on the set of Baywatch. We were in a hospital, supposedly talking to a professional. No nurse spoke that way to us. Another doctor insisted on putting an arterial line in my mother to check her blood gasses, although she was on the brink of death. I watched the doctor continually flush the line as she was adjusting it. The next day my mom's hand was black from a blood clot (and my mom was in horrible pain). Thankfully, the nurses did as much as they could (warm compresses) to alleviate the pain. Again, nurses are sometimes more accurate than doctors.
148 posted on 04/02/2005 6:36:07 PM PST by Reddy
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To: floriduh voter

Was that you 'juggling' at the hospice?




/sarc.


149 posted on 04/02/2005 6:41:47 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
I was multi-tasking at Hospice which is akin to juggling, but, no that wasn't me in a Ringling Bros. costume. That guy showed up at day 13 or 14.

When I read about what an angry, rude mob we were, it makes me laugh. WHAT A BUNCH OF LIES. The local papers are still saying we were loud. Our signs spoke volumes so we didn't have to. There were very few outbursts but considering the circumstances, who can blame someone for venting????

150 posted on 04/02/2005 6:50:13 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.theempirejournal.com Demand the Impeachment of Judge Greer...No More!!!!)
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To: Hildy

I have found out the hard way that hospice care varies tremendously. I have had family members under hospice care in certain states, where the hospice workers were truly angels on earth. But I have also had the misfortune of running into very poorly run hospices that did not even provide the most basic care to ease a patient's suffering.

Generalizing that all hospice workers are wonderful, caring, nurturing people can make for some very unfortunate surprises at the worst time--when a loved one is dying.


151 posted on 04/02/2005 6:50:30 PM PST by djreece (May God grant us wisdom.)
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To: floriduh voter

I was being a tease about the juggler.

I just wanted you to post that here because there are a few flies buzzing around here. Wanted your comments here :)


152 posted on 04/02/2005 6:53:24 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Halls; Scoop 1; Pegita
Remember my post #144? Where I formatted in red type the words: "Deciding to Forego Life-Sustaining Treatment (1983) [NOTE: NOT AVAILABLE AT SITE]??

Interesting, when I googled that title, here's what came up:

Ronald Cranford, MD

Dr. Cranford has specialized in the field of clinical ethics since the early 1970s. During this time, he served as a consultant to several national commissions on right-to-die issues. These included the President's Commission for the Study of Ethical Problems in Medicine and Biomedical and Behavioral Research, primarily the reports on "Defining Death" and "Deciding to Forego Life-Sustaining Treatment".....

"Defining Death" and "Deciding to Forego Life-Sustaining Treatment are both in that list I provided in my post #144. "Defining Death" is available in pdf.

There are dots waiting to be connected, IMHO.

153 posted on 04/02/2005 6:54:45 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Calpernia

you have freepmail.


154 posted on 04/02/2005 6:55:52 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.theempirejournal.com Demand the Impeachment of Judge Greer...No More!!!!)
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To: floriduh voter

Bump!


155 posted on 04/02/2005 6:58:35 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: windchime

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1376271/posts?page=153#153


156 posted on 04/02/2005 6:59:37 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Blzbba
Observing reflex behavior is one thing. Seeing and knowing that one's cerebral cortex is liquid and the effects that has is another.

This comment is obviously nothing more than the reflexive twitching of a skull full of grey cells and some sparks of electricity.

157 posted on 04/02/2005 7:01:06 PM PST by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: mtbopfuyn
"Yet, we didn't see a throng of nurses rush out to tell the truth."

How limited minded you are. You obviously see reality through a limited, narrow, unknowing perspective. Nurses do the work and are the actual care takers and treatment givers in our medical system. Doctors write those care orders and prescriptions.

However you need to read the state medical laws. If a nurse was to publicly countermand a doctors orders or speak publicly against a doctors ordered treatments would be complete professional suicide.

Nurses generally put the only human side on our medical system. Workers, including nurses, in a hospice see this sort of things every day. If the state has a "right to die" law and if a nurse was to do as you suggest she would become unemployed and unemployable.

Would you knowingly remove any chance of employment in the position you schooled and trained for? Can you see yourself losing your job and starting over? Nurses do their best to make hospitals and hospices work.

Get off your soap box, quit your job, and go work at a hospice or a hospital as a medical aide. See how long your employment lasts if you speak ill of a doctors orders or directions. Nurses serve at the whim of doctors who often treat them badly... even though they see the patient more often than a doctor does.

Stop making generalized, poorly thought out statements, quit your job, and drag your soap box to your capital steps and get the "right to die" laws changed. Get laws passed to secure nurses jobs when they speak against doctors then they might be able to do as you imagine.

What happened to Terri Schaivo was wrong and to many she was seemingly murdered. That may be correct but leave the nurses alone... they are NOT the ones to blame. Lots of ways to throw your wrath and you of course choose the lowest worker on the rung. That could appear to be cowardice.

Be a grownup and go after the governor, the judiciary, the families who want it, the doctors, the representatives, the senators, etc. What happened to Terri Schiavo is an actual medical procedure and in the med business they usually call it a "terminal wean". It happens more than you would believe.

Most nurses I know hate it and many refuse to do it... often at risk of their jobs or advancement. Many do it and make it as comfortable for the patient as possible. Remember they have lived with the patient -- often for weeks or years before (on doctors orders) they then have to effectively kill someone.

Doctors order terminal weans, but DON'T do the work. Doctors write the orders and nurses have to.

Go through the proper channels and get that changed...I think you will find thousands of nurses would be more grateful than anyone if they did not have to do it. But be a grown up and stop casting blame at the lower rung on the medical ladder.
158 posted on 04/02/2005 7:05:08 PM PST by JSteff
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To: nicmarlo

Very, Very interesting!!!


159 posted on 04/02/2005 7:05:39 PM PST by Halls
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To: MrDem

In agreement with you.

What was it someone wrote about Terri's family not being nice to the families of the patients?

I, for one, would want someone to be VERY NASTY to someone in my family who was trying to kill me.

Just because those people don't accept euthanasia as murder doesn't stop it from being murder.


160 posted on 04/02/2005 7:07:59 PM PST by freecopper01
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