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Rush Limbaugh Reads Letter From Lawyer at beside of Schiavo
3-21-2005 | W.T. Stewart

Posted on 03/21/2005 10:55:04 AM PST by cainin04

Rush just read a statement from a lawyer who was in the room with Terry Schiavo at the time the feeding tube was removed. It was a very moving story. I do not have a link to the story and can not find it on the net.

But if this lawyer is telling the truth, and I have no reason not to believe her, it would be big evidence in this case.

If someone can provide a link, please help!


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: barbaraweller; rush; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo
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To: PaulaB
search this land high and low for someone with a backbone, a conscience, and a sound mind in "public service." I won't hold my breath.

this is beyond belief. America has no balls -- emasculated by the left.

21 posted on 03/21/2005 11:14:37 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: ex-Texan; sonrise57

thanks for the links!


22 posted on 03/21/2005 11:18:57 AM PST by cainin04 (It is not a calamity to die with dreams unfulfilled; it is a calamity to not have any dreams.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Maybe trolls, but it wouldn't appear so. It has just felt so wrong.
Kind of like listening to my state rep (Wexler) trying to sound like anything other than a little weasle....
susie


23 posted on 03/21/2005 11:20:16 AM PST by brytlea
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To: Beelzebubba
I think the attorney at the bedside asked Terri if she wanted to live. Terri responded "I want, I want!"

I'm on the side that says they should not remove the feeding tube on her, but I do not think that the patient's parroting the words, "I want, I want" tells us anything.
In fact this does not go contrary to what one would expect to see in her vegetative state.
My understanding is that the husband has not allowed any recent filming of Terri.
24 posted on 03/21/2005 11:20:24 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121; All

I found the following on the cwu.edu website. Now, I am not a doctor, but if the study on this site is correct, it alone is enough to prove Terri is NOT in a vegetative state!

http://www.cwu.edu/~chem/courses/Chem564/finalpapers/PVSfinal.html

Recovery

Eye tracking and Emotional responses are the most common ways of determining whether a patient is responding, and therefore no longer in a vegetative state. The first sign of a patient emerging from PVS is the localizing of the eyes on a visual stimulus. This can be observed because persons in a vegetative state are unable to track moving objects or fixate their vision on an object, and as a patient recovers they regain this ability. This type of a response if most often detected by family members or caregivers that have worked directly with the patient. Eye tracking is not necessarily enough to show that a person is recovering from PVS because patients may not show any other evidence of other meaningful response to the environment. More difficulties with eye tracking may come into play because of the possibility of other neurological or ophthalmological damage that may prevent a patient from tracking stimuli. This means that a patient may actually have a degree of recovery that will be missed because it cannot be detected through eye tracking. Emotional response is also difficult to determine because a response must be directly related to specific stimulus. This can be difficult because patients in PVS can scream, cry, grunt or have other actions associated with emotional responses, which are not done in response to stimuli. Therefore significant testing must be done to determine that emotional responses are not being done randomly, but are performed as responses.

A patient recovering from PVS usually recovers in a progressive manner where they move into a post vegetative state. Some patients have recovered significantly. Individuals with relatively short periods of time in PVS have been able to regain nearly normal physical and mental capabilities. There has also been documentation of individuals recovering from periods of PVS lasting over a year who have been able to regain the ability to think, communicate and recover a fair level of physical independence (move without a wheelchair, and feed themselves) (CRA 54).

Future


25 posted on 03/21/2005 11:24:50 AM PST by cainin04 (It is not a calamity to die with dreams unfulfilled; it is a calamity to not have any dreams.)
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To: nikos1121
That is my understanding as well...last time any video was taken of her was the balloon video if I am not mistaken. Apparently this royally pissed off the husband and he banned the family from seeing her for a long time.

He is a real class act!
26 posted on 03/21/2005 11:26:19 AM PST by 4everontheRight ( "I'm learning to dread one day at a time" --- Charlie Brown)
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To: nikos1121
A doctor would be out of his mind to remove a feeding tube from a conscious patient....not to mention malpractice and loss of his license..

This is a trumped up lies by a activist lawyer
27 posted on 03/21/2005 11:27:03 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Robe

Rush just said the ABC poll which says the public disapproves of Congress getting involved has been disproven since Congress did act and figured they had better get on board with President Bush. hahahaha!


28 posted on 03/21/2005 11:37:22 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather
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To: sheikdetailfeather
yeah, that was pretty good.

Honestly, I think that most Americans don't understand the details of this case. Many people think that this is a matter of someone on artificial life support and that it is a matter of simply "pulling the plug," all of which is untrue.

If the media would report this accurately or if people had listened to the CSPAN coverage last night, they would know that Schiavo is NOT on life support!
29 posted on 03/21/2005 11:46:15 AM PST by cainin04 (It is not a calamity to die with dreams unfulfilled; it is a calamity to not have any dreams.)
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To: cainin04

I don't know if that's true. Alot of people I have talked to, who appear to have paid attention think she should have the feeding tube removed. They seem to put alot of faith in the fact that a court ruled thus and such.
susie


30 posted on 03/21/2005 11:53:18 AM PST by brytlea
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To: cainin04

I don't think the public has any recent evalutions of Terri. The few things that I have seen on her list her as being in a vegetative state. I don't see on what basis this would allow anyone to remove her feeding tube.


31 posted on 03/21/2005 11:54:09 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: cainin04

What about the bone scans Terri had years ago ,shortly after she was admitted to the nursing home for physical therapy ,when Terri cried out in pain, doctors ordered a bone scan which revealed excessive trama, fractures ect .The doctor stated that these injurie's were healing at different stages and so not all occured at the same time and also that these injurie's had to have been sustained within the prior 18 months of the actual event that placed her in medical care . when the Doctor was asked how these injurie's could have been sustained ,his reply ...

Being hit by a mack truck ..or ABUSE.


Why is it that michael has been spent all these years HOPING Terri would die....forbiding any medical care that may improve her condition ....? Is there a REAL fear that she may be able to mumble the scenario that led her to this state ......I can't beleive that this is happening in America ...Judge Greer needs to be moved from the BENCH ..immediately!


32 posted on 03/21/2005 12:05:03 PM PST by checkitall
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To: checkitall

Hannity just said on his radio show that rumors are abounding that a big news story is about to break and to stay tuned. He is in Sarasota, Florida right now.


33 posted on 03/21/2005 12:10:52 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather
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To: PaulaB

It is never right to murder a person! It is not right to murder a person, no matter how slowly you do it. Oh, Lord of the Helpless, abide with Terri! Stay by her side. Put your loving arms around her, and hold her tight. May her Guardian angel be by her side always. God bless every person who has cared about the plight of Terri and her family, and Michael Schiavo is not her family!!!!!!!!


He is a pretender husband, living with another woman with whom he has even had two children. This is beyond belief!
Michael Schiavo should have been removed as guardian when he started cohabiting with some other woman, and most certainly when he started producting illegitmate children!
Terri Schiavo does not have the love of her so called "husband", for he wants to kill her. God help her!


34 posted on 03/21/2005 12:11:41 PM PST by tessalu
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To: cainin04

Honestly, I think that most Americans don't understand the details of this case. Many people think that this is a matter of someone on artificial life support and that it is a matter of simply "pulling the plug," all of which is untrue.

A lot of recent reports have called Terri 'brain dead'--I think that explains the poll results to some extent. Terri is brain damaged, but she's not brain dead.

I wonder what the results of a poll would be if ABC asked the people interviewed if they approved of killing brain damaged people by letting them die of thirst? That is what really happens when 'feeding tubes' are removed.

35 posted on 03/21/2005 12:14:14 PM PST by elli1
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To: nikos1121
feeding tubes are pulled every day on patients to allow them to die. Where is your outcry on that? Or does somehow having written permission make it all right for you. I too have done some polling of my own. Basically most of the folks I know are rock solid conservatives and to every last one they think this whole matter is up for her legal guardian to decide and no else. In fact it was the liberal democrat who was against pulling the feeding tube. This is an issue that cuts across political ideological lines.
36 posted on 03/21/2005 12:14:19 PM PST by SoothsayerToo
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To: SoothsayerToo

"feeding tubes are pulled every day on patients to allow them to die. Where is your outcry on that? Or does somehow having written permission make it all right for you. I too have done some polling of my own. Basically most of the folks I know are rock solid conservatives and to every last one they think this whole matter is up for her legal guardian to decide and no else. In fact it was the liberal democrat who was against pulling the feeding tube. This is an issue that cuts across political ideological lines."

I don't really disagree with you. I'm suspect of all sides of this case and still feel the underline issue is money. The husband stands to get millions in book, movie, etc. rights. If it did not reach a media frenzy Congress wouldn't give hoot about her or cases like hers.


37 posted on 03/21/2005 12:17:49 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Must be about to happen, Hannity would never self-promote.

Tell me when it happens.


38 posted on 03/21/2005 12:19:05 PM PST by dwilli
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To: FL_engineer
Drudge was duped with fake audio of Terri making sounds when the feeding tube was removed.

Terri's brother had to correct Glenn Beck this morning who was playing the Drudge audio.

The brother said that audio was not taken when the tube was removed but from an earlier recording.

It's to the point now you don't know what is fact and what is fiction.

39 posted on 03/21/2005 12:21:55 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun
It's to the point now you don't know what is fact and what is fiction.

fact is, a helpless disabled lady is being starved while the world jerks around. it's simple.

40 posted on 03/21/2005 12:51:38 PM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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