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NY Times: Starvation Death Not Painful
NewsMax.com ^ | March 20, 2005 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 03/20/2005 5:15:38 AM PST by MisterRepublican

The newspaper that was most outraged over photos of Iraqi terrorist suspects being mistreated by U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison said Sunday that the two week-long starvation-execution of Terri Schiavo will cause her "little discomfort."

"From the data that is available, it is not a horrific thing at all," Dr. Linda Emanuel, the founder of the Education for Physicians in End-of-Life Care Project at Northwestern University tells the New York Times.

"In fact, declining food and water is a common way that terminally ill patients end their lives, because it is less painful than violent suicide and requires no help from doctors," the paper maintains.

The Times also cites Dr. Sean Morrison, a professor of geriatrics and palliative care at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, who insists that starvation victims "generally slip into a peaceful coma."

"It's very quiet, it's very dignified - it's very gentle," he adds.

Other experts not quoted by the Times, however, disagree.

Wesley J. Smith, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and an attorney and consultant for the International Task Force on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide, says that in fact, for a conscious patient like Terri Schiavo, death by starvation will be fraught with agony.

In his book "Forced Exit, The Slippery Slope from Assisted Suicide to Legalized Murder," Smith reports:

"A conscious person would feel it [dehydration] just as you and I would. They will go into seizures. Their skin cracks, their tongue cracks, their lips crack.

"They may have nosebleeds because of the drying of the mucous membranes, and heaving and vomiting might ensue because of the drying out of the stomach lining."

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1 posted on 03/20/2005 5:15:38 AM PST by MisterRepublican
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Gee, then the NYT won't mind at all if we try this at Gitmo.
2 posted on 03/20/2005 5:17:36 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: MisterRepublican
Well compared to reading the New York Times it isn't painful.
3 posted on 03/20/2005 5:17:49 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: MisterRepublican
The newspaper that was most outraged over photos of Iraqi terrorist suspects being mistreated by U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison said Sunday that the two week-long starvation-execution of Terri Schiavo will cause her "little discomfort."

Good. Great. Then the NYT can't possibly voice any intellectually coherent objections, in the future, if we decide to starve captive Islamofascists to death, rather than "torturing" them. :)

4 posted on 03/20/2005 5:18:06 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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In fact, declining food and water is a common way that terminally ill patients end their lives, because it is less painful than violent suicide...

The problem is that this is not a SUICIDE!

5 posted on 03/20/2005 5:18:52 AM PST by Living Free in NH (o)(o)
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To: MisterRepublican

I remember from when I was cutting weight in wrestling, if I didnt eat for just 3 days it would start to feel like it was burning almost in my stomach. After a while, and eating when I could, it went away, almost like I built up a resistance to it, but that was over a period of 3 months.....

I can't even begin to imagine a week or two weeks with out any food.....


6 posted on 03/20/2005 5:19:07 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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At least they're not going to put panties over her head. /sarcasm


7 posted on 03/20/2005 5:19:35 AM PST by randita
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To: MisterRepublican

Someone called in to Fox and Friends a few minutes ago with pretty much the same angle.

Creepy stuff.


8 posted on 03/20/2005 5:20:42 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace
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To: MikeinIraq

I did that as well. I hated it. I had too eat though. And I could.


9 posted on 03/20/2005 5:21:05 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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"In fact, declining food and water is a common way that terminally ill patients end their lives, because it is less painful than violent suicide and requires no help from doctors," the paper maintains.

This ranks high on the list of the stupidest things I have ever read.

Question.If this bast##d down in Fla.that killed the little girl tries to starve himself to death won`t the state at some point force feed him to keep him alive?

10 posted on 03/20/2005 5:21:55 AM PST by carlr
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The Times also cites Dr. Sean Morrison, a professor of geriatrics and palliative care at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, who insists that starvation victims "generally slip into a peaceful coma."




Morrison is the Dr. Death of the left. He would fit in well with his peers who ran the concentration camps in Germany


11 posted on 03/20/2005 5:22:12 AM PST by Modok
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And all those people we pulled out of the Concentration Camps after World War II were not in any discomfort. They were all planning to lose weight anyway......right..??..!..........Where the hell do they find these 'experts'........!


12 posted on 03/20/2005 5:23:11 AM PST by Jay Howard Smith (Retired(25yrs)Military)
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To: MikeinIraq

"...with out any food...."


Or water...


13 posted on 03/20/2005 5:23:14 AM PST by Lakeside
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To: Jet Jaguar

for the first couple of months, I was very close (I wrested at 189 lbs). I probably could have been ok after only one month, but I got down to 178 at one point and I was seriously considering going for 171, where I would have been a bit better. But I ended up screwing up my elbow to the point that it would pop in and out of joint almost at will so I had to stop. I still had to play baseball after all....

11 elbow dislocations will do that :)


14 posted on 03/20/2005 5:23:15 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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The NY Slimes knows this, of course, because of their intimate involvement with Uncle Joe Stalin's starvation of 10 million Ukranians back in the 30s. The Slimes enabled that to happen (much like Eason Jordan's CNN enabled Saddam to kill thousands) by simply refusing to shine the light of legitimate and honest enquiry on Stalin's Soviets. Birds of a feather, you see, stick together.


15 posted on 03/20/2005 5:23:17 AM PST by twntaipan (demonRATs: The heirs of Eichman)
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In fact, declining food and water is a common way that terminally ill patients end their lives, because it is less painful than violent suicide and requires no help from doctors," the paper maintains.

Dwindling circulation is a common way that terminally ill newspapers end their lives, it is less painful than violent explosions and requires no help from subscribers, the public maintains.

16 posted on 03/20/2005 5:23:18 AM PST by hflynn
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GREAT!

I propose we starve to death all our death row inmates!!

17 posted on 03/20/2005 5:23:55 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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I go by the old adage that medicine is not an exact science. We have been told that male children do not feel pain when they are being circumcised and I think that is BS. In the early days of AIDS we were told it was a gay cancer-brought on by homosexual activity-again WRONG. Medicine is not an exact science and until someone who has starved and dehydrated to death can come back and tell me that is was not painful I am not going to believe an article in the NYT.
18 posted on 03/20/2005 5:23:59 AM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: Lakeside

yes or water...

one thing about wrestling as well as Iraq and Qatar is that you learn how important water truly is.


19 posted on 03/20/2005 5:24:33 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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NY Times: Starvation Death Not Painful

If it is such a peaceful way to die, why does Oregon even have provisions for Doctor-Assisted Suicide?

Death-loving people in Oregon could save money by bypassing the doctor's assistance, and starving themselves to death.

20 posted on 03/20/2005 5:25:56 AM PST by syriacus (FR sure must be influential. The pro-death people are trying to hijack the Terri threads.)
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