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Who should apologize to whom (Clinton admires Iran)
Arab News ^ | March 4, 2005

Posted on 03/04/2005 6:15:15 PM PST by Peach

Who Should Apologize to Whom? Amir Taheri

Where is the country that Bill Clinton, a former president of the United States, feels ideologically most at home?

Before you answer, here is the condition that such a country must fulfill: It must hold several consecutive elections that produce 70 percent majorities for “liberals and progressives.”

Well, if you thought of one of the Scandinavian countries or, perhaps, New Zealand or Canada, you are wrong.

Believe it or not, the country Bill Clinton so admires is the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Here is what Clinton said at a meeting on the margins of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, just a few weeks ago: “Iran today is, in a sense, the only country where progressive ideas enjoy a vast constituency. It is there that the ideas that I subscribe to are defended by a majority.”

And here is what Clinton had to say in a recent television interview with Charlie Rose:

“Iran is the only country in the world that has now had six elections since the first election of President Khatami (in 1997). (It is) the only one with elections, including the United States, including Israel, including you name it, where the liberals, or the progressives, have won two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote in six elections: Two for president; two for the Parliament, the Majlis; two for the mayoralties. In every single election, the guys I identify with got two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote. There is no other country in the world I can say that about, certainly not my own.”

So, while millions of Iranians, especially the young, look to the United States as a mode of progress and democracy, a former president of the US looks to the Islamic Republic as his ideological homeland.

But who are “the guys” Clinton identifies with?

There is, of course, President Muhammad Khatami who, speaking at a conference of provincial governors last week, called for the whole world to convert to Islam.

“Human beings understand different affairs within the global framework that they live in,” he said. “But when we say that Islam belongs to all times and places, it is implied that the very essence of Islam is such that despite changes (in time and place) it is always valid.”

There is also Khatami’s brother, Muhammad-Reza, the man who, in 1979, led the “students” who seized the US Embassy in Tehran and held its diplomats hostage for 444 days. There is Massumeh Ebtekar, a poor man’s pasionaria who was spokesperson for the hostage-holders in Tehran. There is also the late Ayatollah Sadeq Khalkhali, known to Iranians as “Judge Blood”.

Not surprisingly, Clinton’s utterances have been seized upon by the state-controlled media in Tehran as a means of countering President George W. Bush’s claim that the Islamic Republic is a tyranny that oppresses the Iranians and threatens the stability of the region.

Clinton’s declaration of love for the mullas shows how ill informed even a US president could be.

Didn’t anyone tell Clinton, when he was in the White House, that elections in the Islamic Republic were as meaningless as those held in the Soviet Union? Did he not know that all candidates had to be approved by the “Supreme Guide”, and that no one from opposition is allowed to stand? Did he not know that all parties are banned in the Islamic Republic, and that such terms as “progressive” and “liberal” are used by the mullas as synonyms for “apostate”, a charge that carries a death sentence?

More importantly, does he not know that while there is no democracy without elections there can be elections without democracy?

Clinton told his audience in Davos, as well as Charlie Rose, that during his presidency he had “formally apologized on behalf of the United States” for what he termed “American crimes against Iran.”

But what were those “crimes”? Clinton summed them thus: “It’s a sad story that really began in the 1950s when the United States deposed Mr. Mossadegh, who was an elected parliamentary democrat, and brought the Shah back and then he was overturned by the Ayatollah Khomeini, driving us into the arms of one Saddam Hussein. We got rid of the parliamentary democracy {there} back in the ‘50s; at least, that is my belief.”

Duped by a myth spread by the Blame-America-First coalition, Clinton appears to have done little homework on Iran. The truth is that Iran in the 1950s was not a parliamentary democracy but a constitutional monarchy in which the Shah appointed, and dismissed, the prime minister. Mossadegh was named prime minister twice by the Shah and twice dismissed. In what way that meant that the US “got rid of parliamentary democracy” that did not exist is not clear.

There are at least two things that Clinton does not know about Iran and Iranians.

The first is that the claim that the US changed the course of Iranian history on a whim would be seen by most Iranians, a proud people, as an insult from an arrogant politician who exaggerates the powers of his nation more than half a century ago. The second thing that Clinton does not know is that in the Islamic Republic that he so admires, Mossadegh, far from being regarded as a national hero, is an object of intense vilification. One of the first acts of the mullas after seizing power in 1979 was to take the name of Mossadegh off a street in Tehran. They then sealed off the village where Mossadegh is buried to prevent his supporters from gathering at his tomb. History textbooks written by the mullas present Mossadegh as the “son of a feudal family of exploiters who worked for the cursed Shah, and betrayed Islam.”

Apologizing to the mullas for a wrong supposedly done to Mossadegh is like begging Josef Stalin’s pardon for a discourtesy toward Alexander Kerensky.

Clinton does not know that it was President Harry S. Truman’s energetic intervention in 1946 that forced Stalin to withdraw his armies from northwestern Iran thus foiling a Communist attempt to dismember the Iranian state.

Clinton does not know that if anyone has to apologize it is the mullas who should apologize to both the Iranian and the American peoples. He does not appear to remember images of American diplomats paraded in front of TV cameras, blindfolded, and threatened with summary execution every day — images that did lasting damage to the good name of Iran as a civilized nation.

Speaking of apologies, Clinton also ignores the fact that Iranian agents in Lebanon, led by the “ liberal progressive” Ayatollah Ali-Akbar Mohtashami, organized and carried out a string of terrorist attacks in the 1980s that cost the lives of over 300 US citizens, including 240 Marines.

And does Clinton remember the dozens of American citizens who were held hostage by the mullas’ agents in Lebanon, sometimes for more than five years?

Clinton forgets that anti-Americanism, and hatred of the West in general, is the ideological backbone of Khomeinism; that that the devise of the mullas’ regime is “Death to America”, and that the American flag is burned or trampled under foot in thousands of official buildings throughout Iran every day?

Clinton claims that the mullas “still kind of like the West in general, and America in particular.” That must be as much news to the mullas as to anyone else.

The former president endorses another claim of the mullas that Saddam Hussein, the deposed Iraqi dictator, invaded Iran on behalf of the United States.

Clinton says: “Most of the terrible things Saddam Hussein did in the 1980s he did with the full, knowing support of the United States government.”

Don’t be surprised if Clinton’s next apology is addressed to Saddam Hussein, another victim of American Imperialism!


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 03/04/2005 6:15:15 PM PST by Peach
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To: Peach

Just saw this one too and was about to post it. Looks like Bubba is trying to out Stupid Jimma. Maybe he thinks this will win him his coveted Nobel prize.


2 posted on 03/04/2005 6:21:00 PM PST by trek
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To: Peach
Clinton admires Iran...

Clinton would! There must be something down Sandy Burglars pants related to this.
3 posted on 03/04/2005 6:22:44 PM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: Peach

My loathing for this POS knows no bounds.


4 posted on 03/04/2005 6:23:51 PM PST by doug from upland (Ray Charles --- a great musician and safer driver than Ted Kennedy)
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To: doug from upland

This is just ASTOUNDING! Which part of elections in Iran doesn't he understand?

And here is what Clinton had to say in a recent television interview with Charlie Rose:

“Iran is the only country in the world that has now had six elections since the first election of President Khatami (in 1997). (It is) the only one with elections, including the United States, including Israel, including you name it, where the liberals, or the progressives, have won two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote in six elections: Two for president; two for the Parliament, the Majlis; two for the mayoralties. In every single election, the guys I identify with got two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote. There is no other country in the world I can say that about, certainly not my own.”


5 posted on 03/04/2005 6:25:41 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: doug from upland

doug from upland wrote:
My loathing for this POS knows no bounds.

--> Ditto here!


6 posted on 03/04/2005 6:26:39 PM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45 (Banning, A fate worse than death !!)
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To: prairiebreeze; Mo1

Evidence that Clinton's brain was severely affected during heart surgery.

Check this out.


7 posted on 03/04/2005 6:28:01 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

I don't know what planet he's on.
Maybe his heart medication has affected his brain.


8 posted on 03/04/2005 6:28:02 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

That's the only explanation. I really almost can't believe he said this.


9 posted on 03/04/2005 6:28:37 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Taheri certainly tears Clinton a new one, and with nothing but the facts mam, just the facts.

What Clinton conveniently forgot in his flippant remark about being 'driven' into the camp of Saddam Hussein, is that it was his mush-mouth-talking fellow 'Rat Jimmy Carter who sent his National Security Advisor Brezinski to Amman Jordan in 1980 to convey the message to Saddam's representatives that the U.S. wouldn't be heartbroken if Iraq were to invade and annex part of Iran's territory. This was just a ham-handed attempt on the part of Carter to try and pressure Tehran after Carter found himself totally without a clue of how to deal with the mullahs and the students in Iran holding our people hostage.

The tilt (temporary tilt) to Iraq was made necessary because Carter had stabbed the Shah in the back, greased the skids for the Assahollah Khomeini and his numnutz radicals to seize power, and by the time Reagan arrived on the scene, the U.S. was obligated to assist Iraq in it's war against Iran not because we thought Saddam was the 'good guy' but because the alternative would be to have let Iran conquer Iraq (something they were poised to do), which would have led to Tehran becoming the dominant Middle East power, and certainly in control of most of the oil. Other Arab states like Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc., would certainliy have fallen victim to Islamic radical movements inspired by Tehran.

Jimmy Carter, marinaded in hubris, blinded by his own arrogance, thought that after getting his lucky shot with Begin and Sadat at Camp David, that he was untouchable so far as remaking the Middle East in his own naive and altruistic image. Bill Clinton, who (based on his comments from this article) is clearly dumb as a bag o' hammers when it comes to his perceptions of what is, and is not true about Iran and the Middle East in general.

Carter and Clinton. Two very stupid individuals.


10 posted on 03/04/2005 6:28:39 PM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: Peach

I think his brain has been affected by a venereal disease.


11 posted on 03/04/2005 6:29:21 PM PST by doug from upland (Ray Charles --- a great musician and safer driver than Ted Kennedy)
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To: Mad Mammoth

The two worst president's we've ever had. Ever.


12 posted on 03/04/2005 6:29:35 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: doug from upland

LOL.

Well, if anyone would have that problem, it would be the hound dog.


13 posted on 03/04/2005 6:31:09 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Unbelievable! But then, we would not be in the fix we're in if not for WJC and company.


14 posted on 03/04/2005 6:33:15 PM PST by pieces of time
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To: Peach
TO: William Jefferson Clinton FROM: nothingnew

You are a sorry sack'o'shit. Please stop representing this country as some sort of spokesperson. You were a lying sack'o'shit when you were our president (small p intended) and you are still a lying sack'o'shit now.

I wonder why President Bush sent this lying sack'o'shit over there? I'm getting pretty PO'd about this.

This S'o'S'a'S has no right to represent this country anywhere.

C'mon George W....stop the playing of both sides of the fence.

FMCDH(BITS)

15 posted on 03/04/2005 6:34:07 PM PST by nothingnew (There are two kinds of people; Decent and indecent.)
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To: Peach
Well, who am I to argue with the SMARTEST man in the world?

Pssst...me thinks some kind of STD is destroying this scumbag's brain.

16 posted on 03/04/2005 6:38:52 PM PST by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: PISANO

You know, you and Doug are starting to convince me.

Some book I read about him said he has an incurable form of STD; wish I could remember which book.


17 posted on 03/04/2005 6:39:54 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Bill clinton and charlie rose: Smug, stupid, anti-American leftists.


18 posted on 03/04/2005 6:40:40 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Peach

This is hard to believe, even coming from a clinton.


19 posted on 03/04/2005 6:41:21 PM PST by Ramius (Hmmm... yeah, that'd be great...)
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To: Peach
Man.......What a sick SOB!

He is really going after that U.N.Job. No doubt about it.

20 posted on 03/04/2005 6:42:15 PM PST by Cold Heat (FR is still a good place to get the news and slap around an idiot from time to time.)
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