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Republicans Squaring Off Over Bush Plan on Immigration
NY Times ^ | January 27, 2005 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 01/27/2005 7:15:50 PM PST by neverdem

WASHINGTON, Jan. 26 - The battle within the Republican Party over immigration policy was joined Wednesday as President Bush vigorously promoted his proposal for a guest worker program and conservatives in Congress introduced an alternative proposal to tighten immigration restrictions.

At a news conference, President Bush said again that he considered his guest worker proposal "a priority" even though Senate Republicans left it off their list of top goals. "A program that enables people to come into our country in a legal way to work for a period of time, for jobs that Americans won't do, will help make it easier for us to secure our borders," Mr. Bush said, adding: "I know there is a compassionate, humane way to deal with this issue. I want to remind people that family values do not end at the Rio Grande border."

Party conservatives, however, have strenuously opposed a guest worker plan since Mr. Bush introduced the idea in 2001, even staging a losing revolt over its inclusion in the party platform at the 2004 Republican convention. Many conservatives call the president's ideas "amnesty" - a term Mr. Bush disputes - because his plan includes ways for currently illegal immigrants to obtain temporary worker permits.

On Wednesday afternoon, Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., the Wisconsin Republican who is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, again introduced a measure to block illegal immigrants from obtaining driver's licenses.

At a news conference, he said the committee would not consider other immigration proposals, implicitly including the president's, until his own measure passed. A similar measure was removed from a bill to enact the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission last year. Senator Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona, is expected to introduce a driver's license restriction this year.

Mr. Sensenbrenner said his bill was primarily directed at border security, distinguishing it from other changes in immigration policy. "Immigrants are not terrorists, except a few of them," he said. "The legislation that was introduced today is designed to get the bad apples out of the barrel before the barrel was spoiled."

He said a group of House Republicans had written a letter to Mr. Bush urging him to provide full financing for provisions in last year's antiterrorism bill doubling the number of border patrol agents and tripling the number of beds for detaining illegal immigrants over the next five years. The Department of Homeland Security said recently that it was planning a smaller increase in financing, drawing the ire of advocates of tighter immigration laws.

Asked about the president's proposal, Mr. Sensenbrenner said his committee was "going to be plenty busy with other priorities, a lot of which are the priorities of the White House."

In an interview, Representative Chris Cannon, a Utah Republican who supports the president's plan, said a guest worker program would not amount to an amnesty because it would include a monetary penalty for currently illegal immigrants. "The people who want to kick them all out are not reasonable people," he said.

But Representative Tom Tancredo, Republican of Colorado and chairman of the Congressional immigration caucus, vowed to defeat any program that in his view would reward lawbreakers, even questioning the president's motives. "Could it be just the corporate interests, the money interests that rely so heavily on cheap labor?" he asked


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Colorado; US: District of Columbia; US: Utah; US: Wisconsin; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush43; bushamnesty; gopmodsquad; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationplan; rino; sensenbrenner; w2
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To: TheBrotherhood
Are these people you know employed at all now, and if not who is supporting them?

If they are employed and making more than the jobs that they want to take from the illegals, why do they want them?

Wouldn't it be better to work for $10 an hour than not work at all?

Maybe they have drug problems or attitude problems or emotional problems or something.

Obviously they aren't very valuable as employees.

381 posted on 01/28/2005 10:57:40 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: Once-Ler
Isolationist xenophobia is not conservative.

You're right up there with George Washington aren't you.../sarc

382 posted on 01/28/2005 11:03:17 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: bayourod
I know one guy who can't keep a job very long who's always complaining about Mexicans, but we just figure he'd rather sit around drinking beer all day while his wife works at Hooters. When rent and truck notes are due she takes on some extra work.

Just as a percentage of Americans are losers, a percentage of illegal aliens are losers too.

383 posted on 01/28/2005 11:04:06 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: Joe Hadenuf
May I suggest building 25 thousand, 40 story pink apartment buildings around his ranch in Texas until he figures out that 80 percent of the American people are demanding somthing done, NOW.

You can suggest it but I don't think he cares what you think. Dubya never had your vote.

384 posted on 01/28/2005 11:07:26 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: Once-Ler
You can suggest it but I don't think he cares what you think.

And clearly, he could care less what the almost 80 percent of Americans want.

385 posted on 01/28/2005 11:11:06 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: Once-Ler
Isolationist xenophobia is not conservative.

For a country that's supposedly xenophobic (according to certain FReepers) the United States isn't doing a very good job of being xenophobic (thankfully) when you consider the fact that we let in about one million foreigners, legally, every year.

386 posted on 01/28/2005 11:12:50 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: skeeter
Oops...

You should be saying Oops. How does your quote from 1984 support your statement ...

Reagan and the Simpson half of Simpson/Mazolli called the 86 amnesty one of the biggest mistakes of the Reagan era.?

387 posted on 01/28/2005 11:14:37 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: skeeter
I thought we were talking about illegal immigration That's OK, we were talking about Freedom.
388 posted on 01/28/2005 11:16:50 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: Once-Ler
Dubya never had your vote.

No he clearly didn't, nor did he deserve it.

389 posted on 01/28/2005 11:21:06 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: Indie

You are incoherently babbling.


390 posted on 01/28/2005 11:23:35 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: judgeandjury
Just as a percentage of Americans are losers, a percentage of illegal aliens are losers too.

Then let's deport both.

391 posted on 01/28/2005 11:24:27 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: Once-Ler
You are incoherently babbling.

Incoherent: 2 : lacking clarity or intelligibility :

Babble: 1 : to utter in an incoherently or meaninglessly repetitious manner

And you are repeating yourself. Which part did you not comprehend? I would say a comprehension problem of English might be your problem, not the writer's.

392 posted on 01/29/2005 12:08:42 AM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Indie
Which part did you not comprehend?

Your response to me is a 9 word sentence. It was...
You're right up there with George Washington aren't you?

I'm not sure how to break it down to parts with out losing the obvious depth you see in it. Which part? Which part? Yeah...um...the sentence part.

393 posted on 01/29/2005 12:56:04 AM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: al_again

Illegal Immigration is the biggest problem. It negatively impacts just about everything else you mentioned.


394 posted on 01/29/2005 5:53:42 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Once-Ler
Can you tell me how many businesses were punished for hiring illegals after the 86 amnesty? I would be very interested to read those figures.

Not very many, it took 18 months following the law's passage to get the rules in place. According to the former INS:

"During this period, INS issued citations only against first-time offenders who had already received an educational visit from the INS and imposed fines only against employers who continued to break the law after receiving both an educational visit and a citation. At the end of this period, INS had issued 2,322 citations and 107 Notices of Intent to Fine, totaling $448,450."

After Reagan left Bush 1 did continue with enforcement for a while but due to enormous pressure from businesses backed off. We've had no real enforcement since.

395 posted on 01/29/2005 6:12:54 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: wardaddy

Affermative action reform is paramount???

Let me ask you this - there will be a crushing tax burden placed on you or your children in the next 20 years because of our actions today. Do you think that will cause you more grief, or living with Affermative action for a few more years???

I know what I'm focussed on - and it's not affermative action!


396 posted on 01/29/2005 7:32:53 AM PST by al_again
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To: Noachian

Bingo!

The border in Iraq was closed in days. DAYS!


397 posted on 01/29/2005 7:32:57 AM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I respectfully agree. I'd bet that the price of gov't services could be reduced by 1/3 without the end customer noticing a bit of difference in the service! Wasteful inefficient gov't bureaucracy is the BIGGEST problem,!
398 posted on 01/29/2005 7:42:24 AM PST by al_again
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To: al_again

Read your own initial post with the list Al.

I said number one and number seven.

If you take a second more focused look, you will see that is number one:illegal immigration and number two:degradation of individual liberties.

I would add that even legal Moon Rock Nazis should not be allowed here.

Affirmative Action while a royal pain in the ass is at least being addressed to some degree and not embraced like Norte Mexico is.

;>)


399 posted on 01/29/2005 7:49:33 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: skeeter
The goal should be to pressure V. Fox to bring freedom and equality to his country. In that way, all Mexicans will be free, not just the law breakers who come here to break more laws. As it is now, our policy of an open border is allowing Fox to maintain his criminal "over-class".

Our open border is going to result in the US becoming more like Mexico, underclass, elite class and pushing our citizen middle class into poverty.

If our so called leaders do not fix the problem, eventually the solution provided by the people will not be pretty. Not a threat, a prediction.

For the sake of the freedom that our boys, fathers and uncles died for, for their country, lets create reasonable, organized, legal immigration and stop the chaos that we have now.
400 posted on 01/29/2005 7:52:57 AM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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