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Mystery Of 'Chirping' Pyramid Decoded
Nature ^ | 12-14-2004 | Philip Ball

Posted on 12/17/2004 2:43:44 PM PST by blam

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To: konaice
As for bringing a good harvest, that was assured by tearing the still beating heart out of young girls.

And tossing the young girls into cenotes. We toured one in Vallidolid (sp.), I do believe.

21 posted on 12/17/2004 3:27:23 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: konaice
These people had no mathematics, no trig, no algebra, yet they are acoustical engineering buildings?

Ahh...the arrogance of modernity. Who says this is the only way of doing acoustical design?

22 posted on 12/17/2004 3:28:02 PM PST by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Yes, that is what I bumped. :)


23 posted on 12/17/2004 3:40:30 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
I don't find it that far of a reach to assume the sound may have been intentional when these people purposely designed the pyramids for the equinox to 'bring a good harvest'.

When you live in the outdoors, the stars and the sun are your principle source of entertainment and companionship. It's no surprise that primatives all over the planet put sticks in the ground to track the shadow of the rising/setting sun and come up with the equinox. Virtually all of them did it. Total no brainer.

But making the claim that these folks understood the wave nature of sound and pre-computed how it would change on echos is another thing entirely. I don't doubt the effect was accidental. The Computational Fluid Dynamics that would be required to pre-compute that kind of thing is a very difficult thing to do today. There is no such software package called "WinCFD", so every such computation requires significant software customization.

Aircraft "T" hangars with corregated steel walls do the same "chirping" echo, no doubt accidental too. Virtually all of them do it. Go to an airport, like Falcon Field in Mesa AZ, and stand between two rows of hangars and clap your hands. It not only chirps once, it will reflect several times if you clap loud enough. Sounds pretty wierd.

24 posted on 12/17/2004 3:41:07 PM PST by narby
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To: konaice

>>> As for bringing a good harvest, that was assured by tearing the still beating heart out of young girls

Yes, I saw the sacrificial table. It was eery!


25 posted on 12/17/2004 3:41:22 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Sender

bump!


26 posted on 12/17/2004 3:42:22 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Sender

>>>>But by all means, let's have a team of highly-paid, overeducated scientists go around the world clapping on the stairways of the ancients to see if it sounds like a bird or a duck. Now that's science baby!

Not science, :) Grant money access :P


27 posted on 12/17/2004 3:43:27 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: narby

>>>>The Computational Fluid Dynamics that would be required to pre-compute that kind of thing is a very difficult thing to do today. There is no such software package called "WinCFD", so every such computation requires significant software customization.

Woosh!

::that was the sound of big words zooming right over my head::

Ok. I can't retort that. Sound was an accident then.


28 posted on 12/17/2004 3:46:06 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Sender
Wait a minute...the Mayans had no math? They had an incredibly accurate calendar and extensive knowledge of astronomy. They were pretty darn smart. They knew many things that we don't today.

They had numbers but no math. Odd concept, but they never progressed much beyond addition / subtraction. Calculation of angles was never part of their building technique other than the obvious corners of buildings. I forget if they even had the concept of a zero or not.

29 posted on 12/17/2004 3:49:14 PM PST by konaice
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To: Calpernia
Ok. I can't retort that. Sound was an accident then.

Like the wisper spot in the Rotunda of the Capitol in DC. Totally unexpected, discovered after completion by accident.

30 posted on 12/17/2004 3:50:37 PM PST by konaice
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To: konaice

I'm still impressed by the pyramids though :)


31 posted on 12/17/2004 3:52:24 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: konaice
I am so tired of these "experts" that find some accident of construction and assume a technology and a knowledge base in primitive people...

My thoughts, too, as I was reading the article.

32 posted on 12/17/2004 3:54:50 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Sender

"They knew many things that we don't today."

Name one.


33 posted on 12/17/2004 3:56:06 PM PST by Weimdog
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To: Weimdog
Name one.

LOL... Good one.

34 posted on 12/17/2004 3:57:34 PM PST by konaice
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To: Calpernia; narby

What if? What if it were accidental the first time, and when the Mayans discovered what it would do, they had to show everybody else how cool it was by building a lot more pyramids? Kind of a prehistoric, "Hey ya'll, watch this!" :-)


35 posted on 12/17/2004 3:58:47 PM PST by Hegemony Cricket (Luck is notoriously untrustworthy.)
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To: Weimdog

Like, that the world is going to end in 2012. Bet'cha didn't know that!


36 posted on 12/17/2004 4:09:36 PM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: konaice; Weimdog

Seriously, asking me to name something that we don't know today is by definition impossible. But I imagine many ancient cultures knew things of one sort or another that we don't today.


37 posted on 12/17/2004 4:12:19 PM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: blam

"Declercq's calculations show that, although there is evidence that they engineered the pyramid to produce surprising sounds, they probably couldn't have predicted exactly what they would resemble."

Understatement of the year nominee. :') I'll ping the list after I get home.


38 posted on 12/17/2004 4:32:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam

Of course this research will go far in advancing the condition of present day homo-sapiens.


39 posted on 12/17/2004 4:32:59 PM PST by mercy (20 years a Gates sucker was enough)
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To: Sender

"asking me to name something that we don't know today is by definition impossible"

I wasn't trying to be obnoxious, just making the above point in the simplest terms.

"But I imagine many ancient cultures knew things of one sort or another that we don't today."

It's possible they might have "known" or witnessed the mating rituals of some extinct species or the medicinal uses of extinct plants. But to say they "knew" more is, like you say, impossible.


40 posted on 12/17/2004 4:52:44 PM PST by Weimdog
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