The Last Crusade Of The Templars

Times Of London ^ | 11-29-2004 | Ruth Gledhill

[Rocky Mountain Mama]

"They did set up their headquarters in the lee of Solomon's Temple,"

This has been confusing me since the discussion of the Templars surfaced again recently. Wasn't Solomon's Temple destroyed in 70 AD? Was the Dome of the Rock built by the time of crusades, does anyone know when it was built? Thanks.

[winodog]

Actually they are asking for a apology from the Catholic Church as a whole not individual members.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

There is no Catholic alive who had anything to do with 14th-century heresy trials or executions. Who do you suggest should apologize? And for the crimes of Henry VIII, Oliver Cromwell, and the secret societies who plotted the French Revolution...who will apologize for those? And how far back should we go? Should the mayor of Rome apologize to all Christians for their being fed to the lions? Should China be asked for an apology to Europeans for the Mongol invasions? Do you want to give Manhattan back to the Indians and Florida back to the Seminoles? Shall the Welsh and the Cornish demand that all Saxons leave Britain?

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

There are hundreds, probably thousands, of descendants of William Marshal alone - living in modern America. You can find many of the lines documented in the archives of the Magna Carta Society and The Virginia Historical Magazine. Descendants walk the streets of Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C. Many without knowing it.

[Rocky Mountain Mama]

"But ever since Christ died his Teachings have been distorted or suppressed by those who did not want this teaching to get to the masses:"

I think if you read the New Testament you will see that the teachings of Jesus did get out to the masses, even though unsuccessful attempts have been made in history to destroy the Scriptures. There is more historical evidence that the New Testament we have is the authentic record of the apostles than there is that Columbus existed or sailed the ocean blue in 1492. :)

[ZULU]

"Some of them - not all, by any means - seem to have started dabbling in things ranging from the occult to homosexuality."

Interesting what a few racks and some hot irons will induce a person to admit to.

I suggest you read some more about this order and Philip the "Fair" of France who engineered this evil plot.

Because a few members of an order may have problems, does that erase the good the entire organization accomplished over its existence? Hardly.

The dissolution and persecution of the Knights Templar was an international disgrace and purely motivated by the Frence monarchy for monetary purposes. The collusion of the Pope in this affair was disgraceful, but then he too had been the victim of Philip the Fair's pressure.

[Slipperduke]

Too true. In historical terms, Communism barely registers on the evil scale.

Christianity and Islam must be way out in front on the atrocity count, though it must be said that this is the fault of misteachings, rather than the original concepts themselves.

[Phsstpok]

The Second Temple was destroyed around 70 AD (or CE for the PC). The Al Aqsa Mosque was apparently built (completed) around 691 AD, by the Caliph Abd al-Malik. Therefore the Templars would have been digging under the Al Aqsa Mosque during their residency in the "Solomon's Stables" area between 1118 and 1127.

Here's a good site with history of Solomon's Stables that places them both physically and historically.

Solomon's Stables and the Southern Gates

The site itself, TempleMount.ORG is an overall history of the Temple Mount and appears pretty good, archaeologically.

 

[winodog]

I guess we are talking about two different things. I see the Catholic Church as a institution like no other.

The apology should come (if indeed one is forthcoming) from the church as a whole not individuals who have nothing to do with with happened hundreds of years ago.

It is far different then asking for the US gov.org to apoligize for slavery. Comparing the names and nations you mention to the church is far different because all of those have come and go but the Catholic Church has stood "upon the rock" for two thousand years. Like I said it is a institution like no other. If you cannot see that then I will not discuss the issue further. You may have the last word.

[ninenot]

Thanks.

[winodog]

Too true. In historical terms, Communism barely registers on the evil scale. Christianity and Islam must be way out in front on the atrocity count, though it must be said that this is the fault of misteachings, rather than the original concepts themselves.

You are wrong. Communism has killed more people in the last hundred years then religion in the history of mankind.

[stainlessbanner]

bttt

[Slipperduke]

You're telling me that in 80 years, Communists managed to kill more people than thousands of years of jihads, crusades, wars, skirmishes, sacrifices and persecutions?

[winodog]

Dont bet the farm on it but I almost positive I have seen statistics that show that to be true.

[shield]

Isn't the Templar a cult?

The Holy Grail is such a joke in their teachings. This is the cup Jesus drank out of at the Last Supper. Jesus would have never drank out of a golden with jewels cup. It was actually a wooden cup...and it's still around in Wales...there's not much of it left any longer.

[Slipperduke]

Well, I'll bow to your superior knowledge if you're right. I know that Stalin wiped out millions in concentration camps, but it would have to be a fairly consistent killing machine to overtake a 2,000 year head start.

Do you think they keep league tables for this kind of thing?!

[joebuck]

"Problem is the first 50 pages or so are mind-numbingly boring. Then it gets good. It's the DaVinci Code for non-morons."

I started Focault's Pendulem and never made it past those first 50 pages. Perhaps I should give it another try.

[BlueNgold]

...Holy Blood Holy Grail, by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln, which claimed that Jesus survived the crucifixion and settled in France.

As I recall the book, and I have read it several times, it makes no such hard assertion (although it leaves it open as a possibility). Rather it asserts that Mary Magdalene bore His children, and that she settled in France. Their follow up book also makes the case for a second son who perhaps was raised by followers/family in the British Isles.

I'm not defending either claim, just sick and tired of sloppy reporting and inflammatory and antagonistic characterizations.

[jimhesson]

I read "Foucault's Pendulum" last summer. I agree about the 1st 50 pages but the rest was a great read.

I highly reccomend it. But it does take intense concentration to keep it all straight.

[winodog]

Like I said I am not 100% positive but there are freepers that have the info and if we keep chatting one of them will take notice and give us the figures. I think with China, Russia, Cambodia, all the other far east and Africa murders done under the name of Karl marx it adds up. Simply because there were not that many people alive in the centuries before the 20th. Let alone the methods for killing.