Posted on 11/18/2004 11:03:39 AM PST by Racehorse
Good for them, we can't get people outraged when some pinhead tries to paint Abraham Lincoln as gay, for God's sale!
JFK was pure fiction also portrayed as fact.
I think there is much, not only in this movie, implied that Alexander had an affair with one of his generals, whom I believe he later put to death.
nick
I was trying to recall some old readin I did in school. Didn't the Spartan soldiers take boys into their homes to train them. Didn't the training include having sex with them?
First of all, when boys reached a certain age, (I don't remember what it was off the top of my head but it was pretty young) they were sent to live in barracks.
Secondly, it was Thebes, not Sparta who had a group of homosexual warriors, called the sacred band. I have not heard of any other Greek city state with similar ideas.
I am no expert on homosexuality in ancient Greece but someone else on FR pointed out that it was not the same thing as in modern times, in that it did not involve buggery.
I'm sure someone else will come along with more info.
Lets not confuse intelligence with wisdom. Plenty of Ph.Ds are smart..but only 10% are WISE.
Actually, the Romans very much tolerated bi-sexual relationships. You might be right, however, that they had a different attitude toward homosexual relationships.
Stone who ?
Poor script; hard to follow what is going on. Too much talking and not enough action. 3 hours was way TOO long for this movie. Kept looking at my watch thinking "what else can they do for another 1.5 hours"!
Timeline skips and bounces around too much. There were only 2 real battle scenes and were so confusing. Most of the time, I couldn't tell which side was which. Or what the strategy of the battle was. Seemed like an endless and pointless conquest. Didn't reall feel anything for any of the characters.
The gay/bisexual undertones would have been OK. Not sure if Alexander was bisexual or this was a figment of Oliver Stones wacky mind.
I would put it at the bottom of all the "historical war epic" type movies I've seen. Braveheart, The Patriot, even Troy were much better films of this genre.
for those of you from Rio Linda:
Helenistic influence means Greek influence.
actually the "expert" who declared philip was a homosexual had to flee for his life when he presented his paper at a symposium on alexander the great about two years ago.
There is no evidence to support the allege conduct. Especially from a father who records show arranced cortisans of great skill to make sure Alexander understood the pleasures of female companionship.
History Channels documentary also put forth the conspiracy of Olympia aranging the death of philip.
Stone rejected all offers for the actual history when he was in Greece. Instead he produced a "gay" movie based on his own homoerotic delusions.
They will probably be screening this at the San Francisco "gay" film festival.
I think all parents should be warned about the homosexual content of the movie so they can make an informed decision.
Don't tell ma Oliver Stone sucks!!
The reason we have a difficult time understanding the ancients is because we (westerners) have an entirely different view of women and the role of women in society. In the ancient world women were often thought of as only good for sex and having children. There were not thought of as being very smart, or very trust worthy. Hence, loving a woman was considered a mistake and would surely led to trouble, (hmmmm). Ergo, males tends to form close "loving" relationship with other males. These relationships were NOT sexual. They were platonic (notice the Plato in the word platonic). The queers want you to think that the world was homosexual until the nasty Christan's came along, that is simply not true. Male homosexuality was never been encourage by any society until now. We are in uncharted waters that the previous 10,000 years of human history has warned against.
Thanx, I was repeating from the History channel special. I'm hip to the skip on the role of women.
Hey that Tony Curtis scene in Spartacus was a pretty brilliant scene. It showed without showing a thing how rotten Rome was and when Curtis takes off running the audience cheers.
As always, there were notable exceptions. Hypatia, mathematician and inventor of the astrolabe, would be one.
Thanks. Guess Oliver won't be getting my money. Not directly, anyway. I'll wait for it to show up on cable.
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