Defend our borders! The Second Amendment ain't about duck hunting.
Posted on 09/23/2004 6:24:36 AM PDT by Kokojmudd
By Ignacio Ibarra ARIZONA DAILY STAR
A second border-militia leader was arrested on weapons charges by the FBI this week, and one arrested last week will remain in federal custody because he's considered a threat to public safety.
Ranch Rescue founder Torre John Foote, 47, also known as Jack Foote, was arrested by the FBI in Sierra Vista on Monday afternoon on a charge of illegal possession of a weapon, stemming from a 1996 misdemeanor conviction for domestic violence in Mineral County, Mont.
He is scheduled for a detention hearing in federal court this morning.
On Wednesday, a federal judge in Tucson ordered that Casey James Nethercott, leader of Arizona Guard, remain in federal custody to ensure the safety of the community.
In making her decision, Magistrate Jaqueline Marshall rejected arguments from Nethercott's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Jason M. Hannan, that federal agents, not Nethercott, instigated an Aug. 31 confrontation at Nethercott's ranch near Douglas that led to his Sept. 15 arrest.
Hannan also argued that the prosecution's use of Nethercott's extensive criminal history was improper because the cases had no relevance to the current allegations.
Nethercott's criminal history includes:
œ A conviction on weapons charges earlier this year in Texas, which is on appeal.
œ Convictions in 1996 and 1997 for assault and false imprisonment.
The FBI's case agent Bryan Witt said he'd watched on a remote Border Patrol camera as Nethercott handled and fired a weapon at the Ranch Rescue-Arizona Guard headquarters on his ranch just hours before he was arrested Sept. 15.
Nethercott was arrested at about 11 p.m. as he and a companion returned to his van in the Safeway parking lot in Douglas, said Witt, of the FBI's Sierra Vista office.
Nethercott's companion, Kalen Riddle, 22, who Witt said moved his hands toward his waist as arresting agents approached, was shot twice during the arrest. He remains in critical condition at Tucson's University Medical Center.
After the arrest, agents found two loaded handguns in the passenger compartment of Nethercott's van, one of them possibly the same .38 caliber handgun he'd been observed with earlier in the day, Witt testified.
A search of Nethercott's ranch the next day yielded 15 .308-caliber assault rifles, several handguns, several thousand rounds of ammunition, smoke grenades, flares, and M-80-type explosives similar to large, powerful firecrackers, Witt said.
Nethercott's arrest grew out of an Aug. 31 incident in which U.S. Border Patrol agents attempted to stop Nethercott's Dodge Caravan on suspicion of smuggling. Despite Border Patrol vehicles pursuing him with lights flashing, Nethercott ignored the agents and drove for more than a mile to his property and through the gate, before exiting the vehicle to confront the pursuing agents, Witt said.
In the confrontation that followed, armed Border Patrol agents took cover behind their vehicles after Riddle unslung a rifle from over his shoulder and then, on Nethercott's order, briefly resisted the agents' demands that he put the weapon down, Witt said.
Witt said agents watching the ranch through night-vision equipment reported seeing several people on the grounds as Nethercott shouted orders into a radio or cell phone for them to hold their positions.
In the case of Ranch Rescue founder Foote, the Cochise County Sheriff's Department had investigated the weapons-possession allegation earlier this year and in March forwarded its investigative report to the Cochise County Attorney's Office, where it remains under review, said department spokeswoman Carol Capas.
FBI Phoenix spokeswoman Susan Herskovits said Foote was arrested on a federal warrant with the assistance of the Sierra Vista Police Department.
Nethercott's Arizona Guard was originally part of Foote's Ranch Rescue but split off after a rift developed.
œ Contact reporter Ignacio Ibarra at 806-7746 or at iibarra@azstarnet.com.
That's why I inquired. Thanks for bringing me up to date. We need to establish the concept of "well regulated" so as to entitle citizens to form militias. The worshippers of the Leviathan State have made "militia" a pejorative term, which is to say, directly antithetical to the meaning it had at our founding.
Now I totally oppose Kerry, but going after him for shooting a VC, unless charlie had his hands in the air and was clearly not pulling any tricks is pure partisanship or foolishness.
Killing the enemy is a big part of a warrior's job. If the enemy can be killed from behind, while they are eating, praying, sleeping, or otherwise unable to fight effectively that is great.
Do you really want American warriors to only attack the enemy when the enemy sees them, is in a good position, and has plenty of equipment?
Cheers
CF
Defend our borders! The Second Amendment ain't about duck hunting.
One set of laws for the masters, and another for the serfs.
No, but when being pursued by law enforcement it is not a good idea to drive into an armed compound and tell four friends to take up positions. Unless of course you intend to do them (LEOs) harm.
If the FBI overreacted I have no problem with them seeking legal redress.
Actually, it played a major part in the actions taken by the FBI who would not have been interested in arresting Nethercott in the first place if he hadn’t pulled his stunt at the compound.
If the FBI overacted, which we know they tend to do, then the injured guy should seek all legal redress.
I just resubscribed to Guns and Ammo after around a 15 year gap and was surprised to see Colonel Cooper still writing a column. He sometimes comes up with a good one. This month it was that political correctness should really be called "social censorship".
Of course with all their power they will get you eventually, that is unless you are a lefist radical in which case you might be allowed to operate openly for maybe 20 years before they happen to come across you.
Clause 1: The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
>>>Prior to 1808, Congress' hands were tied. Since then, it seems the States hands are tied.
Article 1, section 8:Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
>>>Still waiting for the call......been put on hold. Press 'one' for English and all that.
Reminds me of the Clinton/Reno years. They were too busy on "Redneck Hunts" to defend the country from our true enemies.
he once told the class the Klan followed him around and that several FBI agents would trail the Klan. He said it was like a caravan. I actually think he was telling the truth.
I later read there were quite a few more FBI agents assigned to investigating the Klan than there were people in the KKK.
I would be willing to bet there are more illegal aliens than border patrol agents assigned to investigate them.
LOL. Sounds like the Nutty Professor. I'm lucky I never meet these leftist professors. I went to trade school.
Article 1,Section 10, Clause 3: No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
States have the power to engage in war with invaders, including nations. Which State will be the first, to declare war with Mexico?
You missed the point. Kerry got a purple heart for shooting a fleeing unarmed vietnamese in the back....not my idea of a war hero.
I really don't know the details of this situation.
HOWEVER, it is not beyond understanding that ordinary, peaceable Americans could be "driven over the edge" by the CONTINUAL, BLATANT refusal of the Federal Government and its agencies to execute one of the most BASIC requirements of ANY government - the security of its borders.
The real fault for all this lies in the political prostitutes afraid of alienating a growing ethnic community, most of whose members who are here legally, could care less about the governemnt stopping illegal invaders.
At least 10% of the totla Mexican population now resides in the U.S. Yet we continue to pander to Vicente Fox who actviely promotes the dismemberment of the U.S., the Aztlan concept, reconquesr if the American southwest through illegal invasion and thumbs his nose at us when we need his help in the U.N.
I far more angry and ticked off at my government for allowing this blatant invasion of illegals than I am of a few individuals driven over the edge by that policy.
I regard the former as a far greater threat to me and my country than these guys.
His staff replied that Congress would monitor the "events." He's a good guy and ally of Tancredo.
It took years of citizen efforts to get a hearing in Congress on the events at Ruby Ridge. Those citizens suffered verbal abuse from their fellow citizens.
Few people in America had heard of Vicki Weaver and the Weaver's 14 year old son. Fewer people cared. No I did not forget the U.S. Marshall killed. Also tragic and needless in my opinion. BTW, the Feds tried to turn the hearings into a memorial for the Marshall. Sorry, it took years of sacrifices by citizens to get the hearings. The Feds resisted. There were some citizens wronged and dead! That's what the hearings were about.
Without talk radio and Compuserve I believe it was called (or similar Internet access), Mr. Weaver and Mr Harris would still be in prison or dead. Anyone who spoke out such as the Weaver daughters could be in a nut houses, prison, or dead. Some who became Freepers could be in prison or dead instead. Maybe.
"Weaver Awarded $3.1 Million from US Government"
Weaver was called everything these guys are being called, and worse. Could we have some TIMELY hearings this time! Is that asking too much?!
Wrong. I am talking about the *actual* agent involved shooting incident where an unarmed citizen was shot twice. What you posted had nothing to do with the actual shooting.
What transpired before, or prior to this shooting of the unarmed individual is meaningless.
If the FBI had surveillance cameras on Nethercott, why didn't they go after him before he went to town if he was so dangerous?
It could be that V. Fox knows that whoever is elected will grant amnesty and he has to get as many of his Mexicans in the US to be eligible for this. Fox is probably giving the FBI their orders to clear the way for Mexico as we know the FBI turns their heads the other way when it comes to illegals.
We have millions entering illegally, routinely, at will, bringing in *tons* of drugs, and we know terrorist have entered, much the same way the illegals have. The illegals have literally choked off our social services, hospitals, schools, jails, caused epic coast to coast crime, fraud, lawlessness etc and what to the feds do??
They shoot an *unarmed* American citizen, that was actually trying to stop this lunacy!
LOL!
Talk about complete, utter chaos! Does anyone out there believe this is not a government approved invasion?
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