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As proof of his "objectivity" the surpassing wise professor stipulates that there once was a worse president, and that the survey did, after all, rank the execrable Nixon and Reagan higher than President Bush.
1 posted on 09/21/2004 6:27:18 AM PDT by elenchus
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"History is written by men who have hanged heroes..."


2 posted on 09/21/2004 6:29:00 AM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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There are those that study history, and there are those that make it.

Seems as those who study it are jealous of someone who is making it while the difference they make in the world accounts for a big, fat zero.
3 posted on 09/21/2004 6:32:49 AM PDT by flashbunny (RINO's pleading for unity means they want to sabotage the republican party in peace.)
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McIlvane is an intellectually dishonest, partisan liberal. Our local fish-wrap gives him column inches about once a month. Nobody pays any attention to him.


4 posted on 09/21/2004 6:33:10 AM PDT by Gurn (Islam is a cancer.)
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Why exactly would an historian's opinion be more valuable than the opinion of any other guy off the street?


6 posted on 09/21/2004 6:34:59 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Just evidence of liberalism in academia. I am an historian myself, and I think President Bush is one of the greatest presidents in history . . . he spends a little too much, but he has tackled tough questions like Social Security and Medicare when no one else would, he has tried to do something about education, and he has had to deal with worldwide terrorism and an attack upon the United states. Who was the last president to have to do that?


7 posted on 09/21/2004 6:37:31 AM PDT by MrChips (ARD)
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Just evidence of liberalism in academia. I am an historian myself, and I think President Bush is one of the greatest presidents in history . . . he spends a little too much, but he has tackled tough questions like Social Security and Medicare when no one else would, he has tried to do something about education, and he has had to deal with worldwide terrorism and an attack upon the United states. Who was the last president to have to do that?


9 posted on 09/21/2004 6:39:25 AM PDT by MrChips (ARD)
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What kind of historians are these to judge something that has only just started? As Zhou Enlai said of the effect of the French Revolution -- "It's too early to tell."


10 posted on 09/21/2004 6:39:36 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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Professors... there is no class of professionals who trumpets themselves louder with less merit on the face of the earth. They teach inexperienced youngsters and begin to see themselves as brighter than everyone one else, too. Being experts in a chosen, narrow field in a collegiate greenhouse leads them to the delusion of being great thinkers. As experts they learn more and more about less and less until they reach the pinnacle of liberal academic thought,that is, knowing absolutely everything about nothing at all.


11 posted on 09/21/2004 6:39:37 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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These the same historians that rated Clinton as one of the best? The same ones that opposed the impeachment? The same ones that are all democrats and liberals? The same ones that ignore the Venona papers and vilify McCarthy?
12 posted on 09/21/2004 6:42:02 AM PDT by vetvetdoug (In memory of T/Sgt. Secundino "Dean" Baldonado, Jarales, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)
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The author wasn't a historian. His arguments are basically excerpts from the fake Presidential resumé.

Academic Historians come in two flavors... Those who served in the military and are conservative, and those who avoided military service and are liberal. There aren't too many former military academic historians.


13 posted on 09/21/2004 6:42:32 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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eight in ten historians responding

From where? Patrice Lumumba Poly Technik?

15 posted on 09/21/2004 6:50:29 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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Mc Elvaine writes: An informal, unscientific survey of historians conducted at my suggestion by HNN...

Mc Elvaine presented a longer version of his thesis, four months ago, at 5-17-04: Historians vs. George W. Bush

(There are comments by readers on that web page.)

My feeling is that McElvaine will continue to trot out his informal, unscientific findings as long as Bush is president.

16 posted on 09/21/2004 6:52:08 AM PDT by syriacus (Dan Rather has a fine career ahead of him........as a gossip columnist called "DUPE throat.")
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These same "historians" said Reagan was a failure during his term. Reagan is now regarded as a great president so too will Bush when history bears out the genius of his vision.
17 posted on 09/21/2004 6:55:54 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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Wow. Mr. McElvaine is The Pig.
18 posted on 09/21/2004 6:57:38 AM PDT by martin gibson
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Most professional historians take a radically different view. A significant number of historians, in fact, rank the Bush presidency as the most disastrous in American history.

A significant number of historians are graduates of Berkeley.

I, for one, will no longer take the rantings of "professional historians" at face value.

I consider this to be the end of history in this country.

19 posted on 09/21/2004 7:02:45 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Memo Depot: where trusted news anchors shop)
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I am a history professor; I post regularly on HNN; and I don't recall being polled or surveyed.


20 posted on 09/21/2004 7:03:02 AM PDT by LS
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Some times things like this have to be said: I have an earned doctoral degree. I totally support George Bush and I believe voting for John Kerry would be a dangerous mistake. I question the patriotism of these academics.
Anybody who doesn't like what I have said will just have to live with it.


21 posted on 09/21/2004 7:08:51 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 ( Kerry's not "one of us": catholicsagainstkerry.com. needs your help.)
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Mr. McElvaine is Professor of History at Millsaps College in Jackson, Miss.

Unimpeachable source.

22 posted on 09/21/2004 7:09:54 AM PDT by ladyjane
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There was, however, a presidency that was altogether worse than all or any of these: that of James Buchanan, who warmed the president's chair while the Union disintegrated in his term (1857-61). The Civil War was the most calamitous event in our history, and neither George W. Bush nor any other president besides Buchanan has overseen a calamity on that scale.

And just what was Buchanan supposed to do? Wave a magic liberal fairy wand and eliminate slavery? Those wands also do a great job at making folks hold hands, sing Kumbayah and agree about whether new states admitted to the union would be slave or free.

Sometimes war does solve things. The Civil War resolved two issues: slavery and union. I would love to hear how Buchanan could have resolved them without war.

What the author really seems to resent is Presidents who expose that holding hands and singing Kumbayah only works when folks want to hold hands in the first place.

28 posted on 09/21/2004 7:53:43 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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Academia decided this?

Next...


29 posted on 09/21/2004 9:33:37 AM PDT by agrace
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