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Ancient Pot With Horse-Taming Picture Discovered (3,000 YO)
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| 9-12-2004
Posted on 09/12/2004 5:22:24 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Ancient Pot With Horse-Taming Picture Discovered And on the other side of the pot the word "Glue"?
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posted on
09/12/2004 7:09:37 PM PDT
by
searchandrecovery
(Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
To: Henchman
"So what happened to the Caucasian / Celts? Wiped out, didn't procreate as fast, driven West, didn't like the smell 0f Chinese cooking?" There are records of the Han that the Yuezhi were split, the Greater Yuezhi allied with the Han and the Lesser Yuezhi were driven back west. Most were eventually assimilated. The Chinese skeletons did not begin appearing in the region until around 100-200BC. The Uyghurs adopted the reconstructed image (known as 'The Beauty Of Loulan') of one of the mummies as the mother of their country and her image is now on their money and etc. The great wall was built to keep these people out of China...the wall didn't keep anyone out.
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posted on
09/12/2004 7:16:26 PM PDT
by
blam
To: Henchman
Genghis Khan was rumored to have carried red hair and green eyes. Paul Ratchnevsky quoted the contemporary Chinese Zhao Hong as saying that Genghis Khan differed from other Tartars in that he was tall and had long beard, and quoted Marco Polo as saying that Khubilai did have black hair but fair complexion 'ringed with red'. Rashid ad-Din, in 'Collected Chronicles', said that Genghis Khan was amazed to see that Khubilai had black hair while the rest of their family had red hair and said his grandson must have taken 'his old uncles' features.
Genghis Khan belonged to the Borjigid clan which was a branch of the Kiyats to which the Jurchens (Jurchids), Changsi'ut and the Kiyat-Sayar also belonged.
The importance of the Borjigids lies in the legend that after the death of Dobun-mergen, the alleged ancestress Alan-ko bore Bodunchar after being visited by a strange 'golden glittering man'. Rashid ad-Din alluded to a foreign origin of the visitor and described him as having red hair and blue-green eyes.
Paul Ratchnevsky speculated that the mysterious visitor could be a Kirghiz since the Kirghiz people were said to be tall and possessed red hair and green eyes.
Note that Rashid ad-Din's writings came from secondary sources and rumors and that Yuan Shi (History of Yuan Dynasty) only recorded that Bodunchar had grey eyes against the chestnut-colored eyes of his brothers and half-brothers. Nothing is mentioned of hair or skin of Bodunchar or Genghis Khan."
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posted on
09/12/2004 7:31:28 PM PDT
by
blam
To: blam
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posted on
09/12/2004 7:34:41 PM PDT
by
Ciexyz
("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand".)
To: Old Professer
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posted on
09/12/2004 7:39:43 PM PDT
by
blam
To: blam
BLESS YOU BLAM. Love this stuff.
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posted on
09/12/2004 8:02:03 PM PDT
by
Henchman
(Demand an inquiry by the media into Kerry's dealing with the VC in PARIS!)
To: Henchman
The Beauty Of Loulan
Cherchen Man and a swastika emblem from these ancient sites.
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posted on
09/12/2004 8:48:03 PM PDT
by
blam
To: blam
She is a beauty! Interesting that the Swastika, defiled by the NAZIs, is / was a some what universal symbol
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posted on
09/12/2004 9:30:23 PM PDT
by
Henchman
(Demand an inquiry by the media into Kerry's dealing with the VC in PARIS!)
To: blam
Thanks BLAM. As a numismatist of sorts, I gotta get me some of that pinup currency!
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posted on
09/12/2004 9:53:31 PM PDT
by
Henchman
(Demand an inquiry by the media into Kerry's dealing with the VC in PARIS!)
To: blam
I've already said that I would Be the least suprised if/when they open the tomb of the first emperor, a tall red-headed guy is found.
I think that is probably a good assumption. People tend to think that late neolithic/early bronze age peoples did not move between regions frequently. In fact, they were probably better travelled than most modern humans.
It seems that this region has been a good area to be from for thousands of years. Seljuk and Ottoman Turks, the Huns, Mongols, and maybe Caucasians even further back, seem to have come from this area. This is based on both archeological and philological studies. I am very intrigued by how these two separate areas of study tend to support the idea of a caucasian/celtic population in western China in the late neolithic period.
By the way, I'm an interested amateur in this area. I have been fascinated by prehistoric migrations and ancient languages since I was a young child. I try to catch your posts whenever I can. Very interesting.
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posted on
09/13/2004 1:43:06 PM PDT
by
seowulf
To: CWOJackson
I was expecting a picture of a stoned horse.
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posted on
09/13/2004 1:50:26 PM PDT
by
DannyTN
To: blam
I wonder about these recents finds in China, they're coming too thick and fast recently, gets my spidey-sense tingling -- are the Chinese trying hard to emphasise their middle-kingdom status?
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posted on
09/14/2004 12:02:47 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(W2K4)
To: blam
I'm sorry blam, I would respectfully disagree with the theory that Caucasians originated from what is now part of Western China. Caucasians would have arisen from the swathe of land from the Black sea to the Eastern edges of the steppes in Central Asia, but any finds in the Gobi or beyond would have been just forays or foraging parties.
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posted on
09/14/2004 12:08:28 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(W2K4)
To: blam; seowulf
Yes. Tocharian A & B is an ancient and extinct language and is most closely related to ancient Celtic.
I don't know -- as per the chart below, Tocharian is as related to GErmanic, hittite, Indic, Irani languages as it is to Celtic -- it's just another branch of the Indo-European langauge family
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posted on
09/14/2004 12:12:48 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(W2K4)
To: blam
The great wall was built to keep these people out of China...the wall didn't keep anyone out.
Wasn't the wall meant to keep the northern nomads out -- the western ones would be restricted by the Gobi.
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posted on
09/14/2004 12:14:45 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(W2K4)
To: Henchman
Interesting that the Swastika, defiled by the NAZIs, is / was a some what universal symbol
Well, it is an ancient Aryan/Indo-European symbol --> not really shared by other 'races'. However, it has been defiled by the austrian madman
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posted on
09/14/2004 12:15:58 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(W2K4)
To: seowulf
caucasian/celtic population
Hi SEowulf --> Celts ARE Caucasians, of the branch of Caucasian known as Indo-Europeans/Aryans. Other Caucasian branches are the SEmitic and Dravidian branches. Other branches of the Aryan family are Slavic, Indic, Irani, Latin, Greek etc.
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posted on
09/14/2004 12:17:55 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(W2K4)
To: Cronos
"I don't know -- as per the chart below, Tocharian is as related to GErmanic, hittite, Indic, Irani languages as it is to Celtic -- it's just another branch of the Indo-European langauge family" Can't argue...I'm just quoting Victor Mair and Elizabeth Barber.
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posted on
09/14/2004 4:43:29 AM PDT
by
blam
To: Cronos
"I'm sorry blam, I would respectfully disagree with the theory that Caucasians originated from what is now part of Western China. Caucasians would have arisen from the swathe of land from the Black sea to the Eastern edges of the steppes in Central Asia, but any finds in the Gobi or beyond would have been just forays or foraging parties." I'm not firmly committed to this idea. I am prepared to see some old assumptions about origins fall though.
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posted on
09/14/2004 4:45:38 AM PDT
by
blam
To: Cronos
Cronos,
Charts are, afterall, just a representation of scholars' best conjecture. Some past linquists have declared Tocharian to be a Celtic language based on word and grammar similarities between Italic and Celtic. I believe most linguists today don't go quite so far, but they do associate the word and grammar similarities more closely with European language groups (Greek, Armenian, Baltic among others).
Remember, there is no existing language today called Proto-Indo-European, and there are no written records of that language. It has been reconstructed by examining word similarities between related languages. The closer the match, the later the languages split from one another. Tocharian A and B show a very ancient relationship with European languages and later influence by Indic languages.
It is still not a settled question and may never be, but it is interesting none the less.
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posted on
09/15/2004 6:57:50 PM PDT
by
seowulf
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