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MEN FROM EARLY MIDDLE AGES WERE NEARLY AS TALL AS MODERN PEOPLE
eurekalert.com ohio state university ^ | Richard Steckel

Posted on 09/01/2004 12:02:19 PM PDT by ckilmer

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To: rdl6989
As for greenhouse effect, I heard several years ago that a single volcanic eruption like Mt. Saint Helens releases more CO2 into the atmosphere than all human activities since the beginning of civilization.

And the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo in the Phillipines is a good example of nature's own disruption of the ozone layer (which is also a constantly renewing resource). But it's still all our fault....
81 posted on 09/02/2004 7:41:22 PM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: 2banana
every knight's armor I have ever seen is built for smaller men

A lot of the armor that is displayed in museums were never meant to be worn in battle, but were specially made for display. They were made in 3/4 size to show off the armorer's skill, since many of the breastplates and helmets contained very elaborate designs.

Actual battle armor was less elaborate and was usually limited to breastplate, helmet, gloves and knee shields to allow greater flexibility and freedom of movement.

82 posted on 09/02/2004 7:46:59 PM PDT by Alouette (My son, the IDF soldier, on guard for Israel)
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To: beezdotcom

Of course that's true, and the scientists know it, but still all LIBERALLY educated people know it is the fault of the U.S. that there is a hole in the ozone in Antarctica. The next time I am down there(HA HA) I will take some High-SPF suntan oil when I am setting on the beach watching the penguins playing on the ice.


83 posted on 09/02/2004 7:51:09 PM PDT by rdl6989 (Kerry voted for the war before he voted against it?)
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To: rdl6989
I heard several years ago that a single volcanic eruption like Mt. Saint Helens releases more CO2 into the atmosphere than all human activities since the beginning of civilization.

By the way, I think that number is way too high - it's likely that a single volcanic eruption is still only going to release some percentage of the yearly human output of CO2. However, when you add in the constant emissions from all volcanoes, geothermal vents, decomposing vegetation, etc...human output becomes a smaller and smaller percentage.
84 posted on 09/02/2004 7:52:27 PM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: rdl6989
I heard several years ago that a single volcanic eruption like Mt. Saint Helens releases more CO2 into the atmosphere than all human activities since the beginning of civilization. -- rdl6989
In the case of a very long, larger eruption, it could happen, probably has happened. The largest single eruption inferred from the record, during generally accepted human times, took place about 70,000 years ago off SE Asia.
However, when you add in the constant emissions from all volcanoes, geothermal vents, decomposing vegetation, etc...human output becomes a smaller and smaller percentage. -- beezdotcom
I'd also agree with this -- and there are hundreds of eruptions of various sizes each year.

85 posted on 09/03/2004 10:51:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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86 posted on 05/14/2006 5:40:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Restorer
I don't know the source but I too have read that Charlemagne was over 6' tall.

I also have read that ancient Greeks of Doric (Spartans for example) ancestry were about the same size as people today.

87 posted on 05/14/2006 5:46:56 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: wideawake; VeritatisSplendor
"Eating protein in the adolescent years is important."

Calcium (most likely from dairy) is even more important for bone growth, the single most important requirement for height.

88 posted on 05/14/2006 5:54:17 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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89 posted on 05/14/2006 5:55:35 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Greystone, I'll miss you (5-12-2001 - 4-15-2006) RIP little buddy.)
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To: ckilmer

No way were the peole of centuries ago as tall as this generation. If they were the NBA would have been invented 100's of years earlier.


90 posted on 05/14/2006 5:58:07 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: ckilmer

William Wallace was about 11" taller than Mel Gibson.


91 posted on 05/14/2006 6:01:00 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 79-82)
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To: cripplecreek
No you're not. 40 is the new 30!
92 posted on 05/14/2006 6:02:17 PM PDT by mthom
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To: 2banana
every knight's armor I have ever seen is built for smaller men

Every knight's armor that is displayed in museums is for show, made at 60-75% scale. Battle armor is much larger and not as pretty.

93 posted on 05/14/2006 6:04:34 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 79-82)
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To: 2banana
every knight's armor I have ever seen is built for smaller men - and they would have been the ones to live a "good" life.

Two things: the typical "knight's armor" of the period in discussion was a chain mail hauberk (thigh length shirt) and chausses (maille leggings). It would have been as unfitted as a sweatshirt, with a 3-4 inch height difference not readily noticeable. I am unsure if there are even any surviving intact Norman/Viking/Saxon hauberks.

Second, armor is often displayed on a rack that does not take into account the extra material and play at the joints. When you add up these, armor has a surprising amount of expandability.

94 posted on 05/14/2006 6:08:56 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: Mr Rogers
Also doesn't match the size of doorways in very old houses, or the size of bunks on old sailing ships.

There are other explanations. Small doors are easier to defend and weatherproof. Space on ships is always at a premium. Check out bunks in a modern sub. You see similar arguments because the beds are small, but period illuminations show people sleeping in a reclined position, like a chaise lounge.

95 posted on 05/14/2006 6:13:42 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
What this study suggests is that even peasants and craftsmen would have had a good diet and healthy lifestyle. That's a new thought for sure.

Well, not that new. When one looks at the feast days in a typical calendar and other feudal commitments from lord to serf, they actually had a better deal than early 20th c. sharecroppers. IIRC, something like one quarter of the year actually was taken up by assorted feast days where the villagers could expect to be fed at the expense of the lord. They also got to keep quite a bit of their own produce. All told, they may have had a lesser tax burden than us.

96 posted on 05/14/2006 6:21:56 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: 2banana; Mr Rogers; Anitius Severinus Boethius

Oops. Didn't realize this was a two year old thread.


97 posted on 05/14/2006 6:30:47 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: petro45acp
Additionally a good bit of armor was produced by the process of "ceur bolli" or boiled leather. When vegetable tanned leather (tanic acid from bark as the primary chemical treatment) is boiled, then pressed into a form and left to dry in the form, it becomes UNBELEIVEABLY hard. Hard enough to stop a sword slash or a glancing lance blow (layer it and let panels slip and you have a very viable and light armor system).

I belong to the Society for Creative Anachronism, and last summer attended a short class where a guy was demonstrating the process. The ideal temperature is actually 180 degrees F. The leather goes from soft and flexible to a state resembling tough plastic. It retains enough "give" that a blow with a sword blade will bounce off.

The Japanese encountered this type of armor when they were fighting the Mongols, who used it extensively. The most effective way to defeat this type of armor is to have a sword with a very sharp edge, and using a slicing blow, which is why edge-sharpness is so treasured in samurai swords

98 posted on 05/14/2006 6:33:03 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: Prost1; ckilmer

Well another thing that has kinda made it down through the years....

Apparently being 200 lbs is a BIG thing as most men who eclipse 200 lbs are considered *BIG* men or bigger men.

I was 210 lbs at 13 (of course I was 5'10" as well) but I don't quite understand.

Humans today are just bigger.

Look at the NFL.

Look at college and high school football.

You can find guys who arer 6'7" and weight 350 lbs who can run a sub 5 second 40 yard dash.....


99 posted on 05/14/2006 6:34:24 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Rob Schnieder is a Carrot)
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To: MikefromOhio

I agree with ..ckilmer..

Middle ages people were small.

In 1671 the average door height was 5'6" or maybe smaller.
In the 1000s it was 5'0".

Why, because the people did not need a bigger door to enter.

Think of today. The doors were 6'6" until everyone started getting bigger. Now doors are 7'0". Why? Because people fit in the bigger doors.

That says it all! IMO!


100 posted on 05/14/2006 6:54:11 PM PDT by Prost1 (We can build a wall, we can evict - "Si, se puede!")
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