Posted on 08/28/2004 10:39:18 AM PDT by AndrewC
The best evidence to use against an opponent in a dispute is the evidence the opponent provides. It cannot be rationally disputed by the opponent. Kerry has on his website many documents outlining his military service. There are many unusual and odd things in those records. For instance:
But the most striking oddity in the records provided by Kerry lies in his fitness reports. Specifically, the problem lies in the reports while Kerry was in combat for 4 months. It is necessary to indicate the ranges that the fitness reports cover. These periods were: 8 Nov 1968 to 6 Dec 1968, 6 Dec 1968 to 13 Dec 1968, and 14 Dec 1968 to 26 Mar 1969. These periods exhaustively cover the period Kerry was present in combat. Kerry was evaluated by 3 different officers during the listed periods. They were: Grant W. Hibbard, J. W. Streuli, and George M. Elliott. These reports indicate that Kerry went from Coastal Division 14 to Coastal Division 11. Reading into the documents, it appears that Kerry was sent out a half month early from CD 14 to CD 11 shortly after the action on 2 Dec 68. The reason given by Kerry for his presence on that mission was his impatience at receiving his PCF. Thus it hardly seems likely that 4 days was enough training on a PCF for the next assignment to be anything but a method to get rid of Kerry. This assignment was a place holder since it only lasted a week and that time seems to also be too brief. Since other information indicates that Streuli was the Commander of Coastal Division 13 and Streuli signed the fitness report for the period 14 Dec 68 to 26 Mar 69 on 28 January 1969, it appears that Kerry was assigned to CD 13 for a period. The fitness report indicates that it was accomplished for two reasons, a detachment of the evaluator and a detachment of the evaluated. Thus it seems likely that sometime in January 1969 Kerry was reassigned back to CD 11 and LCDR Elliott. Elliott signed that report on 17 Mar 1969, the day that Kerry sent his request to leave Vietnam, indicating haste in completing the departure of Kerry. The period indicated on that report gives evidence that some coordination was accomplished with the gaining unit since the next report from the gaining unit commences on 27 Mar 69. This new report is signed by RADM Schlech on 12 Aug 69, Curiously, although the period this report covers is equal to the period Kerry spent in Vietnam, it leaves all ratings as unobserved.
On each of the documents there are various time stamps which give an indication of the relative and absolute timing of these reports. These are mostly consistent. There is an attachment to the fitness report of 14 Dec 68 to 26 Mar 69. This attachment was signed by Streuli and the dates stamped on it indicate that it was processed in some way. There is another attachment of a similar nature and the stamps on it indicate that it was processed in the same way as the document to which it was attached, namely the fitness report of 8 Nov 68 to 6 Dec 68. It is reasonable to assume that the Streuli attachment indicates the processing done on the base document. However, the only legible stamp on the base document indicates a year of 1970. That is strange, since the attachment indicates that it was processed twice in 1969 and never processed in 1970. The tale becomes even stranger.
Evidently, sometime in Nov 1969 a selection board was in session in which Kerry was to be considered. His records were missing some critical items. Two messages were sent out. One was to NAVPHIBASE CORONADO and the other was to NAVWARCOL. The one sent to CORONADO requested the block 21 information from 21 Jul 1968 to date of detachment and a followup submittal of the document. The one sent to NAVWARCOL requested the same info from the 14 Dec 68 to 26 Mar 69 fitness report with the fitness report to be sent later. Everything about the CORONADO request seems to be clear. The message was sent out and a reply was received. The message reply was complete, although the indicated complete report is missing from Kerry's posted records. On the other hand, the message reply from the NAVWARCOL was incomplete. The addressing and DTG are missing. Only the second page is present. That page has the block 21 information on it and it indicates that Elliott had signed it at the time of the message. Now that message page is stamped 28 Nov 1969, which would indicate that the signature on the completed document would have been accomplished prior to 28 Nov 69. We know that a report for that period was signed by Elliott on 17 Mar 69, but the block 21 information is different than that on the message. A partial fitness report (I shall refer to it as "floating") is included in the fitness reports on Kerry's website, but there are serious problems with that partial document. Like the message reply, it is not complete and it is signed on 18 Dec 69 after the message which indicated he had signed it prior to 28 Nov 69. On top of that, it has no markings indicating any processing done on it. It is anomalous. I have included an image which displays all of Elliot's signatures including one from the Bronze Star recommendation.
There is one signature that does not look like the others. It is from that "floating" fitness report which contains a spelling error not transferred to the message, "turm" instead of "turn". That fitness report was not needed unless the original was lost. But apparently the original was misplaced and eventually found its way into Kerry's records. Either Elliott was at the Naval War College and he was tracked down to re-accomplish the fitness report or the floating, partial fitness report is a fake. Something is seriously wrong with that report.
Links: Spot reports http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/SpotReports_March1969.pdf
Kerry's casualty report is on page 8Fitness reports http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Fitness_Reports.pdf
The others are immediately prior to his.
8 Nov 1968 to 6 Dec 1968 is on page 18
6 Dec 1968 to 13 Dec 1968 is on page 20
14 Dec 1968 to 26 Mar 1969 is on page 23
"Floating" fitness report is on page 22
Schlech report is on page 25
Coronado msg is on page 15
Coronado reply is on page 13
Navwarcol msg is on page 14
Unverified Navwarcol reply is on page 29
Streuli attachment is on page 16
Hibbard attachment is on page 17
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Ping for your analysis
Bumping for home.
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O'Reilly will call you a mudslinging bomb-thrower. Facts? We don't want any stinkin' facts.
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Those signatures do not match!!
Kerry is a LIAR!!
Speaking of signatures, how about this,
"Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature. "It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.
Now we have a pattern. Elliott needs to illuminate the "floating" fitness report, the one with the different signature.
Even I can approve the content of your post.
Forward this to the SBVFT, the Bush campaign, Hannity...
Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief (John Lehman)
Sun Times ^ | August 28, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb
Posted on 08/28/2004 7:30:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1201664/posts
I don't want to toot my own horn. I just want to get at the truth.
Yep, maybe the chickens are coming home to roost. Only one person would be interested in updating personal records many years after the events.
Wow - very impressive! Good work!
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Since other information indicates that Streuli was the Commander of Coastal Division 13 and Streuli signed the fitness report for the period 14 Dec 68 to 26 Mar 69 on 28 January 1969, it appears that Kerry was assigned to CD 13 for a period.
Unfit for Command cites William Franke and Tedd Peck as stating that the reason Kerry was transferred from CD 11 (An Thoi) to CD 13 (Cat Lo) on December 13, 1968 was because people got sick of hearing Kerry complain about how he had only signed up for coastal patrol and not a dangerous assignment like An Thoi. An Thoi was an offshore assignment near an enemy base. Cat Lo had wider, less dangerous rivers.
The fitness report indicates that it was accomplished for two reasons, a detachment of the evaluator and a detachment of the evaluated. Thus it seems likely that sometime in January 1969 Kerry was reassigned back to CD 11 and LCDR Elliott.
This relates to something I was trying to figure out myself last night. Unfit for Command 53ff mentions that after Cat Lo Kerry was reassigned to An Thoi, but no specific date is given. I wanted to pin down the date because Steve Gardner and George Bates report that Kerry used unnecessarily excessive force on several occasions during this period. This fits with Admiral Zumwalt's complaint, as recorded in one of Thomas Lipscomb's articles, that--as one of Zumwalt's Pentagon colleagues later recalled--"young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets. ‘We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under control,’ the admiral said".
I'd be interested in what specific documents and pages indicate the date of Kerry's assignment back to CD 11.
b. To qualify for award of the VSM an individual must meet one of the following qualifications:
(1) Be attached to or regularly serve for 1 or more days with an organization participating in or directly supporting military operations.
(2) Be attached to or regularly serve for 1 or more days aboard a Naval vessel directly supporting military operations.
(3) Actually participate as a crewmember in one or more aerial flights into airspace above Vietnam and contiguous waters directly supporting military operations.
(4) Serve on temporary duty for 30 consecutive days or 60 nonconsecutive days in Vietnam or contiguous areas, except that time limit may be waived for personnel participating in actual combat operations.
c. No person will be entitled to more than one award of the VSM.
d. Individuals qualified for the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal for reason of service in Vietnam between I July 1958 and 3 July 1965 (inclusive) shall remain qualified for that medal. Upon request (unit personnel officer) any such individual may be awarded the VSM instead of the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal. In such instances, the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal will be deleted from the list of authorized medals in personnel records. No person will be entitled to both awards for Vietnam service.
e. Vietnam and contiguous waters, as used herein, is defined as an area which includes Vietnam and the water adjacent thereto within the following specified limits: From a point on the East Coast of Vietnam at the juncture of Vietnam with China southeastward to 21 N. Latitude, 108° 15'E. Longitude; thence, southward to 18° N. Latitude, 108° 15'E. Longitude; thence southeastward to 17° 30'N. Latitude, 111° E. Longitude; thence southward to 11° N. Latitude; 111° E. Longitude, thence southwestward to 7° N. Latitude, 105° E. Longitude; thence westward to 7° N. Latitude, 103° E. longitude, thence northward to 9° 30'N. Latitude, 103° E. Longitude, thence northeastward to 10° 15'N. Latitude, 104° 27'E. Longitude, thence northward to a point on the West Coast of Vietnam at the juncture of Vietnam with Cambodia.
f. The VSM may be awarded posthumously.
g. The boundaries of the Vietnam combat zone for campaign participation credit are as defined in d. above.
h. One bronze service bar is authorized for each campaign under the following conditions:
(1) Assigned or attached to and present for duty with a unit during the period in which it participated in combat. (2) Under orders in the combat zone and in addition meets any of the following requirements: (a) Awarded a combat decoration. (b) Furnished a certificate by a commanding general of a corps, higher unit, or independent force that he actually participated in combat. (c) Served at a normal post of duty (as contrasted to occupying the status of an inspector, observer, or visitor). (d) Aboard a vessel other than in a passenger status and furnished a certificate by the home port commander of the vessel that he served in the combat zone. (3) Was an evader or escapee in the combat zone or recovered from a prisoner-of-war status in the combat zone during the time limitations of the campaign. The Vietnam campaigns are in appendix B. (Service Stars are described in chap 6.)
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