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Not everyone admires the Founding Fathers
Oak Lawn (IL) Reporter ^ | 7/15/04 | Michael M. Bates

Posted on 07/13/2004 8:03:30 AM PDT by Mike Bates

A recent column, for those of you so thoughtless as to have missed it, was about what it might have been like if some of today’s liberals were involved with drafting the Declaration of Independence.

I wrote that many of the Founding Fathers were geniuses who shared their talents in forming this, the greatest of all countries. I revere them.

This is not a universally held view. A local man reminded me of that with correspondence he sent:

"Just like the bullies that Republicans are. Take advantage of someone weaker than you and make it seem like you did something special. Well I am sooooo glad that my God says that the meek shall inhabit the earth and that the first shall be last . . ..

"The writers of the declaration of independence wanted to be on high but God will lay them low for the crimes against mankind and the Indians. The writers of that document were racist, sexist, elitist and mostly criminals. Sounds like the current day government. Hmmm.

"Not one single person died as a result of Clinton’s follies! How many kids have died as a result of Bush’s lies?"

Nice transition there from bashing the Founders to defending Clinton’s "follies." It’s not always follies, of course.

Sometimes it’s peccadilloes or foibles. Or indiscretions or frailties. Anything that focuses on sex rather than his more serious transgressions in office.

But I digress. The reader charges most of the Founders were criminals. No doubt they were in the eyes of the English king, but I’m unaware of anything beyond that.

The accusation that the Founders were racist is much more widespread. It’s practically an article of faith in many college history courses.

The Most Reverend Jesse Jackson spoke to it in a 2002 speech at Michigan State University: "Democracy as we know it did not begin in Philadelphia, where a bunch of white men wrote the laws. These men’s wives were not allowed (to vote), these laws were made at a time when only white men had the right to vote."

Here it’s obligatory to note that what the Founders intended to establish was a republic, positively not a democracy. They knew the difference, even if Mr. Jackson doesn’t.

Perhaps I should cut him some slack. We all know how deeply immersed he is in spiritual matters. Perhaps he hasn’t had the time to learn the distinction.

Were the Founders racist? Some of them owned slaves. Some of them at times defended slavery. That’s part of our history, one we can’t change.

At the same time, it’s worth noting how some of the Founders viewed slavery. Years before the Declaration, Benjamin Franklin denounced the "constant butchery of the human species by this pestilent detestable traffic in the bodies and souls of men."

John Adams called termed slavery a "foul contagion in the human character." Another signer of the Declaration, Benjamin Rush, helped start the Pennsylvania Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery.

George Washington wrote about slavery: "There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it." Thomas Jefferson declared: "Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free."

Jefferson’s original draft of the Declaration included a blistering indictment of England’s king for promoting the slave trade in the colonies. That portion was removed when Southern delegates objected.

We should keep in mind the world in which our Founding Fathers were born. Despotism, tyranny, the abuse of power and slavery were the rule. The concept that individuals held God-given rights had not been widely accepted in much of the world.

The Founders compromised. They deleted Jefferson’s language on slavery to win approval of the Declaration of Independence. Yet in winning agreement, they set the framework for the core philosophy of the Declaration to be more fully realized.

Alan Keyes has written: "Jefferson, and with him the leading lights of the Founding generation, had the decency to acknowledge what few in the course of human history before that era had ever acknowledged — that slavery was wrong. Speaking this truth was the first step toward changing the life of America — just as acknowledging the principles of justice is always the first step toward doing justice."

The Declaration if Independence wasn’t perfect. No creation of mere mortals will ever be. Still, the Declaration and the Constitution launched a system of government that ultimately ended slavery.

In the long run, the aspiration of human equality articulated in the Declaration was to a great extent achieved. Not bad for a bunch of purportedly racist, sexist, elitist and mostly criminal white men.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: adams; diversity; founders; franklin; liberals; multiculturalism; pc; politicallycorrect; racism; republicans
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To: ServesURight
Don't even bother. Some people are just idiots.

The late Larry MacDonald compared some liberals to a guy who walks up to you and claims he just saw a purple elephant. No matter how you may try to persuade him otherwise, it won't work because he's just too detached from reality to reason with. It's a waste of time, time that could be spent on persuading other, more cogent folks, of the truth of conservatism.

21 posted on 07/13/2004 12:50:43 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

"Well I am sooooo glad that my God says that the meek shall inhabit the earth"

Yeah. He DID say that. But he didn't say anything about what the stupid would get, unfortunately for the letter writter.


22 posted on 07/13/2004 12:53:21 PM PDT by ZULU (Democrats = Evil; Republicans = Stupid)
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To: Mike Bates; All
Washington at the end of his life, got rid of some of his slave by making his plantation less dependent on slave labor. When he died, he had all of his slaves freed. Sometime ago I saw something on PBS about Washington with Richard (I don't remember his last name), he interviewed the descendent's of Washington slaves, most of them forgave Washington.
23 posted on 07/13/2004 12:53:44 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Mike Bates
Not everyone admires the Founding Fathers

There is a place for those folks, just as during the times of the Revolution:
Canada.
Preferably as far due north in the Northwest Territories as possible.
No need for them to spoil the modestly redeeming qualities of nice places like
Vancouver, Edmondton, etc.
24 posted on 07/13/2004 12:59:20 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Wonder Warthog
.. . liberals have the clay all the way to the tops of their heads, including their well-styled coiffures.

I used to say they had $25 haircuts on top of 25 cent brains. I guess that needs revision to $400 haircuts on top of 25 cent brains.

25 posted on 07/13/2004 12:59:50 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: VOA
There is a place for those folks. . .

Yes, many of them are meeting in Boston in a couple of weeks.

26 posted on 07/13/2004 1:04:50 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: RockinRight

How many kids are going to wind up with gonnorhea of the throat because of Clinton's ....oh, well.


27 posted on 07/13/2004 2:02:16 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: Badeye

They were fallible. But they were brilliant. Who could match them today...?


28 posted on 07/13/2004 4:29:48 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib

"They were fallible. But they were brilliant. Who could match them today...?"

I think there are quite a few who could "match them". Then again, I'm an optimist living in the greatest country the world has ever witnessed.


29 posted on 07/14/2004 6:50:48 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: antiRepublicrat
Jefferson wanted a lot of stuff in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence that didn't make it into the final versions.

Most of the founders, Jefferson in particular would not be a fit for either political party currently in power. He would be reviled by Republicans and Democrats alike.

30 posted on 07/14/2004 7:00:18 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Protagoras
He would be reviled by Republicans and Democrats alike.

You are so right. That yearning for personal freedom and a truly limited government would really get on the nerves of the two major big government nanny-state parties.

31 posted on 07/14/2004 7:39:51 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
That yearning for personal freedom and a truly limited government would really get on the nerves of the two major big government nanny-state parties.

The personal and vitriolic attacks by big party lick spittles on this site provide lots of anecdotal evidence of that.

32 posted on 07/14/2004 7:43:35 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: RockinRight

If people believe there is nothing worth dying for, then there's no argument you can have with them. Somehow the 3,000 people at the WTC have been forgotten.


33 posted on 07/14/2004 7:46:17 AM PDT by Hildy ( If you don't stand up for what's RIGHT, you'll settle for what's LEFT.)
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To: Protagoras
Most of the founders, Jefferson in particular would not be a fit for either political party currently in power. He would be reviled by Republicans and Democrats alike.

One reason is so many people have developed an addiction to government checks without considering any alternatives. Look what happened to Barry Goldwater when he made a mild proposal about privatizing Social Security.

34 posted on 07/14/2004 6:30:09 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Badeye
I think there are quite a few who could "match them".

I'd be interested in seeing your list.

35 posted on 07/14/2004 6:31:47 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates
"Not one single person died as a result of Clinton’s follies!"

Apparently this genious is unfamiliar with the Clinton body count.

36 posted on 07/14/2004 6:44:11 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: Heyworth; Papatom

Spare us your Yankee elitism, Heyworth. You are playing right into their hands.


37 posted on 07/14/2004 6:46:57 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: ServesURight
"Some people are just idiots."

Simple, direct and to the point.

38 posted on 07/14/2004 6:51:05 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: Badeye
But they were Men, with feet of clay, just like any one of us.

A tad bit harsh in your assessment, methinks. Sure, they had their faults and vices, but feet of clay? I think not.
39 posted on 07/14/2004 7:21:28 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Mike Bates
Correct. The current crop of "Americans" is not the least bit interested in freedom. This site is filty with "government is the answer" control freaks. The Dems have no monopoly on that concept.

Individual liberty and personal responsibility is a concept sometimes mouthed, but never concidered in reality.

Only kooks believe in it.

40 posted on 07/14/2004 7:57:05 PM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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