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US students think British are 'the pale people in the rain'
The Daily Telegraph ^ | June 19, 2004 | David Rennie

Posted on 06/18/2004 4:51:08 PM PDT by MadIvan

Tomorrow's American leaders think Britain is arrogant, cold, rainy, and far from the cutting edge in science, culture or business, a "disturbing" new survey suggests.

The survey, entitled "Pale People in the Rain" and commissioned by the British Council, found that young, high-achieving students placed Britain far down their list of places to study abroad. They called British universities strict, expensive, hard to enter and "mainly for the upper classes".

For most subjects, they thought staying in the US was the best choice. For computing or high technology, almost three quarters said Japan was the cutting edge. Students interviewed in separate focus groups were uniformly unable to name a single recent British scientific or technical achievement.

For art and design, two thirds made France their preferred destination. Only in the humanities, especially history and literature, did Britain come top as a place to study.

London was judged a "fun" place to study by 90 per cent of students and England had a positive rating as a country. Yet - asked to choose one country to visit - only six per cent chose England. The most popular were France and Italy.

More than 60 per cent of the students said Britain was too cold and rainy for them to want to study there. Fewer than half believed Britain was aptly described as "modern and contemporary", while fewer than one third strongly believed Britain was a "technology leader".

Maureen Michaels, whose New York-based firm conducted the poll, said: "If Britain was a business client of mine, I'd tell them, 'You are not a top choice, in any shape or form'."

The survey questioned some 2,000 ethnic minority students with A or B grade averages and extensive extra-curricular achievements. It was designed to focus on the fastest growing segments of the US population - Latino, Asian American and blacks. All live in Texas and California, booming states set to dominate the "new America" of a few years' time.

The British Council expressed concern that only one third of minority students thought Britain could be described as "diverse".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; students; us
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A silly survey. And these students obviously have never heard of Tim Berners Lee.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 06/18/2004 4:51:08 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Denver Ditdat; Judith Anne; Desdemona; alnick; knews_hound; faithincowboys; hillary's_fat_a**; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/18/2004 4:51:43 PM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan
"All live in Texas and California, booming states set to dominate the "new America" of a few years' time."

Glad to hear that California is booming.

3 posted on 06/18/2004 4:54:11 PM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: MadIvan

...When I was back in school, I skipped class whenever I could. They always caught me, in the library. Reading...


4 posted on 06/18/2004 4:57:57 PM PDT by gargoyle
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To: MadIvan
And these students obviously have never heard of Tim Berners Lee

Oh, I've heard of him! He's that guy who thinks he's Al Gore, right?

5 posted on 06/18/2004 4:59:30 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: MadIvan
More than 60 per cent of the students said Britain was too cold and rainy for them to want to study there.

I don't know what cold and rain has to do with studying, but it's hard to argue that Britain can be cold and rainy. I have friends who moved to the south of France for that very reason.

6 posted on 06/18/2004 5:11:07 PM PDT by John Thornton
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To: MadIvan
Pale People in the Rain

Gee, why I am not surprised to read that this survey was given to the "diversity crowd." Could you imagine if white students complained about a country being "too brown"?

7 posted on 06/18/2004 5:13:28 PM PDT by John Thornton
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To: MadIvan
The survey questioned some 2,000 ethnic minority students with A or B grade averages and extensive extra-curricular achievements.

Dumbed down education, grade inflation, or both?

The British Council expressed concern that only one third of minority students thought Britain could be described as "diverse".

The other two-thirds thought that "diverse" was somethng poets wrote.

8 posted on 06/18/2004 5:16:51 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: MadIvan

Don't for get the teeth.
Oh, God. Those teeth.


9 posted on 06/18/2004 5:18:53 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE
Oh, God. Those teeth.

A myth, I assure you. Mike Myers has not done Britain any favours.

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 06/18/2004 5:21:22 PM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan

But Britain is cold and rainy. lol


11 posted on 06/18/2004 5:21:46 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: MadIvan

Not a myth. I assure you.


12 posted on 06/18/2004 5:22:28 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Actually not as cold and rainy as I would like it, these days.

Regards, Ivan

13 posted on 06/18/2004 5:22:37 PM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan
Tomorrow's American leaders think Britain is arrogant, cold, rainy, and far from the cutting edge in science, culture or business, a "disturbing" new survey suggests.

Oh I don't know, a country that gave us Thomas Paine and the Beatles can't be all that bad.

14 posted on 06/18/2004 5:24:39 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: MadIvan
The survey questioned some 2,000 ethnic minority students with A or B grade averages and extensive extra-curricular achievements. It was designed to focus on the fastest growing segments of the US population - Latino, Asian American and blacks. All live in Texas and California, booming states set to dominate the "new America" of a few years' time.

Seems like an odd group to sample and an odd perception of the US.

15 posted on 06/18/2004 5:26:10 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: MadIvan
A myth, I assure you.

I dunno:


16 posted on 06/18/2004 5:32:12 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to let anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: MadIvan

If England is this great technological leader, why don't they have decent special effects on Doctor Who?


17 posted on 06/18/2004 5:32:39 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Sir Gawain

Most of Britain isn't that cold, certainly not more so than Juneau or Seattle or Portland. In winter, most of Britain is far milder than Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, or the interior Northeast.


18 posted on 06/18/2004 5:35:12 PM PDT by dufekin (John F. Kerry. Irrational, improvident, backward, seditious.)
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To: MadIvan

I visited England, France and Italy last year. If I had my choice, it would be tough call between England and France. I would have to pick England. I felt the most comfortable there,and people very friendly. The rain didn't bother me, and I was suprised I could actually time the periods between rainfalls *LOL*


19 posted on 06/18/2004 5:35:41 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Neanderthal
"Tomorrow's American leaders think Britain is arrogant, cold, rainy, and far from the cutting edge in science, culture or business"

More like Cold, Damp and Sarcastic.

20 posted on 06/18/2004 5:40:22 PM PDT by spokeshave (strategery + schadenfreude = stratenschadenfreudery)
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To: cyborg

I've been to Italy twice. Last time was on 9/11.

Last year I visited England during the heat wave. It rained briefly one night. We backpacked the countryside and hiked much on the South Downs Way.

We're going back this August.

Been to Germany and Austria too.

IMO England and the English are tops. Same same the cask ales: Old Speckled Hen and Wadworth 6X.


21 posted on 06/18/2004 5:44:22 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam '70)
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To: wingman1

If I had to move, I'd move to England but I don't want to live next to Madonna.


22 posted on 06/18/2004 5:45:32 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: MadIvan
Tomorrow's American leaders

I'm not sure about that.

23 posted on 06/18/2004 5:46:28 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: MadIvan
Japan is for becoming a Droid, not learning to create one.

Italian design has it all over French, whether it's cars, toasters, or clothing.

If you want to grow up to run the world, go to school here.

So9

24 posted on 06/18/2004 5:48:26 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment
If England is this great technological leader, why don't they have decent special effects on Doctor Who?

Because their English cars were in the shop and they had no way to get to work.

25 posted on 06/18/2004 5:50:48 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: wingman1

" Same same the cask ales: Old Speckled Hen and Wadworth 6X "

These alone are worth moving to England for ! Can't get these in Japan , but I was fortunate to be able to procure 10 cases each of Black Sheep " Monty Python " and Riggwelter ale ! Should last me until the end of September !


26 posted on 06/18/2004 5:52:12 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: MadIvan

Aw, that's not so bad. You should see what the survery said about Russians.

27 posted on 06/18/2004 5:56:20 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: MadIvan
You have the Simpsons to thank for it, actually. This is what convinced Homer and Marge to get braces for Lisa.

Once a stereotype like this takes hold, it's hard to budge.

28 posted on 06/18/2004 5:57:06 PM PDT by wimpycat ("The road to the promised land runs past Sinai."-C.S. Lewis)
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To: MadIvan
All live in Texas and California, booming states set to dominate the "new America" of a few years' time.

Don't feel bad, Ivan.
I'm surprised they even know how to speak English.

29 posted on 06/18/2004 5:57:25 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: cyborg

I've been to England twice, both times in early fall, for a week each time. The first time it was sunny the whole time except for one day of rain. The second time it was overcast more often, but it still rained only one day.


30 posted on 06/18/2004 6:00:06 PM PDT by wimpycat ("The road to the promised land runs past Sinai."-C.S. Lewis)
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To: MadIvan

Don't forget rotten teeth..... where the hell have you been??? Did you have any good secret missions lately?


31 posted on 06/18/2004 6:00:10 PM PDT by Porterville (Fight Communism, vote Republican- and piss on france)
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To: John Thornton; Libertina; LibreOuMort; CyberCowboy777
I don't know what cold and rain has to do with studying, but it's hard to argue that Britain can be cold and rainy. I have friends who moved to the south of France for that very reason.

De gustibus non dispundanum est. I fled California for Seattle because Seattle was cold and rainy. Surprise... the past few years haven't been very cold, or rainy. (Gloomy still prevails in winter though.)

Haven't figured out an argument that liberalism flourishes best in hot, dry environments, though. But we need to restore the definition of "mossback":

mossback, noun. 1. An old shellfish or turtle with a growth of algae on its back. 2. An old, large, or sluggish fish. 3. An extremely conservative or old-fashioned person.

Mossback Pride!

32 posted on 06/18/2004 6:03:42 PM PDT by sionnsar (Mossback Pride! ||| Resource for Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: dufekin

I know, but I don't like those places either. lol


33 posted on 06/18/2004 6:07:18 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: dufekin; MadIvan

Ages ago, ( Back in the Stone Age) I vistited England for two weeks in December.

The weateher was MUCH nicer and warmer than what I had in my native Michigan.

And I was as far north as Scotland.....

The locals wee amazed that I wandered around in my light jacket....to ME it was balmy... ( Heck: the last rose wasn't dead in the park! And it was December! )


34 posted on 06/18/2004 6:08:15 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: sushiman

"Should last me until the end of September !"

Sounds about par. Drink it in good health!

We went to Fairport Convention's (an old English folk rock group)annual festival in Oxfordshire last year and one of the sponsors - Wadworth 6X - had a tanker truck full of just that one variety. It was amazing. My wife and I are going again this year and then up to Scotland.

Cheers.


35 posted on 06/18/2004 6:08:46 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam '70)
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To: MadIvan

I've visited London a few times over the last decade. While its expensive and the weather stinks, the thing one can't deny is the large number of single hotties that inhabit the city. I can't recall anyplace else that had as many drop dead beautiful women per capita (Paris included).


36 posted on 06/18/2004 6:09:27 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: cyborg

cyborg wrote:


If I had to move, I'd move to England but I don't want to live next to Madonna.





Aw, you could kick her butt!


37 posted on 06/18/2004 6:11:02 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: cyborg

"I'd move to England but I don't want to live next to Madonna"

Cy,

England ain't that small. ;>)


38 posted on 06/18/2004 6:11:13 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam '70)
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To: MadIvan
I studied abroad in London back in 99... I didn't have a problem with the weather, as there was so many other wonderful things about England to enjoy that the weather was the last thing I noticed.

However, every now and then I would have problems with the locals. They tend not to take too kindly to Young Conservative Americans, if you can possibly imagine that.

39 posted on 06/18/2004 6:12:00 PM PDT by Serb5150 (God Bless Ronald Reagan.)
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To: wingman1; tiamat

Well this is true, and I'd not live in London so I could run into her at all and her faux accent *lol*


40 posted on 06/18/2004 6:12:51 PM PDT by cyborg
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And I CANNOT spell!

Sorry , Gentlemen!

That's it.

I'm going to BED!

;-)


41 posted on 06/18/2004 6:12:56 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: rbg81
I've heard that Parasite women (like Parasite men) are extremely malodorous, anti-American, brainless twits who cannot even use a flush toilet and who support Communism and totalitarianism. To whatever extent they may look gorgeous, it's only a Trojan-horse packaging.

And this information comes from my socialist sister (a Bush voter--she doesn't believe in surrender).
42 posted on 06/18/2004 6:17:19 PM PDT by dufekin (John F. Kerry. Irrational, improvident, backward, seditious.)
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To: MadIvan
Mike Myers has not done Britain any favours.

Nor any of us on this side of the pond.

43 posted on 06/18/2004 6:20:24 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terri Schindler-Schiavo!)
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To: MadIvan
Britain is a GREAT place to study. Spent a semester there. Museums, cathedrals, architecture, history.

Love it! Just stay out of the classrooms...you don't learn anything there.

44 posted on 06/18/2004 6:24:18 PM PDT by what's up
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To: dufekin

While I have absolutely NO love for the French, I do think you need to chill.


45 posted on 06/18/2004 6:26:55 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: wingman1

Coincidence ! I am a huge ( pre-Gerry Conway ) Fairport fan ! Their original drummer , Dave Mattacks , is a buddy of mine !


46 posted on 06/18/2004 6:35:15 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: MadIvan

I've spent some time on the other side of the pond. ALL stereotypes have some basis in reality.


47 posted on 06/18/2004 6:37:42 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: rbg81

" I can't recall anyplace else that had as many drop dead beautiful women per capita (Paris included). "

Come to Tokyo !!!! Blows England out of the water .


48 posted on 06/18/2004 6:41:38 PM PDT by sushiman
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Really?

Most people never heard of Fairport, or they say, "Are they still playing?"

Of course, they are much different from the original band, Simon Nicol is the only original, but they are still fantastic.

The festival is in a small village called Cropredy. Are you familiar with it?

Gerry Conway played with Sandy Denny many years ago also.


49 posted on 06/18/2004 7:03:43 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam '70)
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To: MadIvan
MadIvan! Your screen name is a sight for sore eyes!

Where have you been?

I can see by checking your "in forum" that you have been posting for the past several days, and I was out of town myself last weekend, but I'm surprised that I didn't spot your handle before this.

50 posted on 06/18/2004 7:10:08 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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