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Report: Lab Results Counter Bryant Accuser's Story
CNN.COM/Reuters ^ | 5/27/2004 | Reuters

Posted on 05/27/2004 9:31:52 AM PDT by Smogger

Edited on 05/27/2004 9:35:04 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

DENVER (Reuters) - Crime laboratory evidence shows the 19-year-old woman who has accused Kobe Bryant of rape had consensual sex with another man hours after she said the basketball star raped her, MSNBC reported on Wednesday.

The DNA evidence from the prosecution's own laboratory could be introduced in court as early as Thursday when the Los Angeles Laker will be back in an Eagle, Colorado, courtroom for a pre-trial hearing, the cable TV report said.

Bryant's lawyer, Pamela Mackey, laid a bombshell in a prior pre-trial hearing when she suggested the woman had sex within 15 hours after she said she was raped.

Through her attorney, the young woman denied having sex so soon after she said she was raped on June 30 at a Colorado resort where she worked and Bryant was staying for out-patient surgery on his knee.

According to the MSNBC report, fresh sperm and semen samples were found inside the woman's body from samples given during a rape examination and that such evidence would prove she had sex within hours after the incident with Bryant.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.netscape.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: California; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: accuser; defenseteambs; katerfaber; kobe; lakers; nba; rape
Well well well.. what a um... suprise. This is being reported now on MSNBC, CNN, and FOX.

All I can say is Yuck! and double YUCK!

1 posted on 05/27/2004 9:31:53 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger

She musta been awfully messy.


2 posted on 05/27/2004 9:33:36 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: Smogger

An untidy young 'ho to say the least.


3 posted on 05/27/2004 9:38:50 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Smogger

This case is a travesty and a sham and a mockery. It's a TRAVESTSHAMMOCKERY!


4 posted on 05/27/2004 9:40:42 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger
As I understand it, this proves that she lied to the police.
It doesn't prove he didn't rape her, but it makes the case impossible to prosecute.
5 posted on 05/27/2004 9:43:34 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Smogger

I just hope they wrap this up early so he can kick some more Timberwolf butt tonight.


6 posted on 05/27/2004 9:43:51 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Smogger

Wasn't there a law firm by the name of Travesty, Mockery, and Sham?


7 posted on 05/27/2004 9:44:28 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Smogger

The judge should do the world a favor and toss this case. Any money spent on the prosectution from this day forward is a waste of taxpayer dollars, as there is no way in hell that he's going to be found guilty.

In fact, the longer this case goes on, the better will be Kobe's chances of filing a lawsuit of his own.


8 posted on 05/27/2004 9:46:12 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: Smogger

This was known long ago and did not stop the Judge's decision to proceed. This is probably a defense move to cloud the water.


9 posted on 05/27/2004 9:46:50 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: Izzy Dunne
You may be thinking of Dewey, Cheatham & Howe

or maybe

Cheatham, Cummin & Going

10 posted on 05/27/2004 9:47:31 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: KeyWest

It was not introduced into evidence long ago. It was asserted by the defense.

Cloud the water is an understatement. She had sex after she was allegedly raped? How can anyone determine the source of her "injuries?" Then she lied about it to police. There goes her credebility. Her lawyer was repeating the lie just a mere month ago. Not to mention she is covered with jiz from a key prosecution witness.


11 posted on 05/27/2004 9:52:29 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: KellyAdmirer

Try my lawyers: Shyster, Ripov, Gypsum and DeFraud.


12 posted on 05/27/2004 9:55:14 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: Smogger

This is my most public humiliation yet!

13 posted on 05/27/2004 9:55:49 AM PDT by Defiant (Moore-On: That rush of excitement felt by a liberal when America is defeated.)
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To: Smogger

Who cares? If he wasn't doing something really bad to start with, he wouldn't be in this mess. I have no sympathy for Kolbe Bryant. Too many other really important problems in this world to worry about.


14 posted on 05/27/2004 9:57:22 AM PDT by tirednvirginia ((But things are looking up!))
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To: tirednvirginia

Well geee don't read this thread. It's important that people are falsely prosecuted for crimes they didn't commit. At least I think it is. Maybe our standards are slipping some.


15 posted on 05/27/2004 9:59:03 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: onyx; Howlin; Iwo Jima

Quick turn on FOX news. The judge is reaming the prosecution right now.


16 posted on 05/27/2004 10:00:06 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger

This does not prove that he was falsly accused. It will never be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. His word against hers. Some people cause their own problems


17 posted on 05/27/2004 10:06:11 AM PDT by tirednvirginia ((But things are looking up!))
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To: Smogger

Just now saw your ping.
Going to TV right now.


18 posted on 05/27/2004 10:06:31 AM PDT by onyx (Rummy's job is winning the war, not micro-managing some damn prison.)
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To: KeyWest
This was known long ago and did not stop the Judge's decision to proceed. This is probably a defense move to cloud the water.

I think the Prosecutor is the one "clouding the water".

From the article:

Prosecutors have said that DNA from someone other than Bryant was found on the underwear the woman wore when she went to the hospital and was the result of mistakenly putting on soiled underwear that had DNA from an earlier sexual episode.

However, the DNA sample taken from her body could refute that line of thinking.

End article.

This girl has probably got some guys DNA on every piece of clothing she owns.

19 posted on 05/27/2004 10:06:59 AM PDT by CW_Conservative
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To: Smogger

Bump for later read


20 posted on 05/27/2004 10:08:52 AM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I think that firm was-- Dewey ,Screwem and Howe.


21 posted on 05/27/2004 10:12:38 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: tirednvirginia

How the Hell can you prove a negative. If that were true I could accuse you of anything. Say for instance making terrorist threats to me, and of course you could NEVER prove a negative (that you didn't do it).


22 posted on 05/27/2004 10:24:54 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: onyx

I am at work, but from what I have heard:

Judge is fed up with the prosecutions delays, embarrasses them in open court.

Prosecution fails to respond to motions on time.

Judge scolded prosecution because they are making it hard for him to set a trail date because they are so unprepared with dates for scientific testing.


23 posted on 05/27/2004 10:26:17 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: johnfrink
The judge should do the world a favor and toss this case.
The judge should do her a favor and giver her a squeegee to clean her self up with.
24 posted on 05/27/2004 10:43:27 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: Smogger

You heard exactly right.
I watched the (gasp) PMSNBC report.


25 posted on 05/27/2004 10:56:26 AM PDT by onyx (Rummy's job is winning the war, not micro-managing some damn prison.)
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To: KellyAdmirer
Plunder, Pillage and Steal, PLC
26 posted on 05/27/2004 10:58:42 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Smogger
LOS ANGELES -- NBC News reported that Kobe Bryant's defense team will be allowed to review the cell-phone records of an ex-boyfriend of his accuser.

State District Judge Terry Ruckriegle issued a rare bench ruling Thursday authorizing the review.

Bryant's defense team alleges that his accuser sent a text message to her ex-boyfriend shortly after her encounter with Bryant.

An attorney for the ex-boyfriend was in court Thursday arguing that allowing the defense access to the phone records would be an invasion of the ex-boyfriend's privacy.

The defense will be allowed to examine the phone records behind closed doors.

Also at the hearing, Bryant's defense team was expected to attack the police work that led to a sexual assault charge against the NBA star.

Prosecutors are fighting the defense bid to call a veteran detective to testify. John Ragle in 1995 criticized the crime-scene investigation in the O.J. Simpson slayings case.

Ruckriegle scheduled open-court arguments on that topic and several others, including a defense request to obtain genetic profiles from unidentified sources.

Although Ruckriegle was expected to set a trial date Thursday, he said that he was unable to do so until some pending issues had been resolved. He chastized the prosecution for missing key deadlines regarding DNA testing.

Following the hearing, Bryant was expected to fly to Los Angeles for an NBA playoff game against Minnesota. It would be the fifth time he has played in a game the night after appearing in court.

Bryant, 25, has said he had consensual sex with a 19-year-old employee of the Vail-area resort where he stayed last summer. If convicted of felony sexual assault, he faces four years to life in prison or 20 years to life on probation and up to $750,000 in fines.

Excerpted. Link to KNBC Channel 4 Website

27 posted on 05/27/2004 11:06:09 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: tirednvirginia

"Who cares? If he wasn't doing something really bad to start with, he wouldn't be in this mess. I have no sympathy for Kolbe Bryant."

So you think he should be convicted of rape because he cheated on his wife?


28 posted on 05/27/2004 11:09:28 AM PDT by Crispy
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To: Smogger

I missed that; what happened???


30 posted on 05/27/2004 1:11:25 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Crispy

No, he won't be convicted of rape. Like I said, his story against hers. Who knows the truth? But the aggravation he is going through is his own making. Remember the right =wing conspiracy? Poor Bill was set up. Yes, Kobe made a mistake - a huge one and while he won't be found guilty he is paying a price.


31 posted on 05/27/2004 2:24:07 PM PDT by tirednvirginia ((But things are looking up!))
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To: tirednvirginia

this is just like the teen rape trial in Orange County....the girl was sleeping with the two defendents and commenting into the video camera that she was now a porn star days before the assault.

seems like the victims are trashing themselves


32 posted on 05/27/2004 4:58:59 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Smogger; Howlin; onyx
There is no way in hell that the prosecution didn't know this evidence before they prosecuted this case. You just can't [forgive the pun] cherry pick what semen you test and what you ignore.

The prosecution's case is shot, for sure. But even more, Hurlbut's law license is on the line here. There is no plausible explanation other than he was trying to frame Bryant. The judge sees this and is trying to get this case over with before everyone connected with the prosecution's case finds themselves experiencing the other side of the criminal justice system.

Where, oh where, are the Kobe-antagonists?
33 posted on 05/27/2004 5:13:06 PM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Iwo Jima
Hurlbut's law license is on the line here.

I think you're right about that; I'm almost positive that he tried to hide this evidence behind the Rape Shield Laws.

Plus, there are a lot of questions about just HOW the accuer's rehab bills were paid; the Colorado Victim fund specifically says $20,000 per victim and her rehab cost $35,000 a month.

Additionally, why did Hulbert request those phone records? Evidently she text messaged a LOT of people on the way home from the hotel!

34 posted on 05/27/2004 5:25:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Iwo Jima

Even trashy women get raped. Doesn't mean they deserve it. Even murderers can get off if they are rich and can pay for the right attorney and can trash the victum.

Do you belive that Broderick women was raped by Clinton? Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't. No one knows for sure. It can never be known for certain. Rape cases are difficult to prove because there are usually only 2 people there;

Many women are raped everyday but don't report it because they cannot prove it.

I don't care how many people she had sex with before and after, it doesn't mean she wasn't raped by Kobe Bryant.
It certainly doesn't mean the prosecutor framed Kobe. It could mean the proseceutor was inept like Marsha Clark, however.

My point again, is this case can never be proved either way. Kobe will walk but his reputation is shot and so is the young woman.


35 posted on 05/27/2004 5:42:46 PM PDT by tirednvirginia ((But things are looking up!))
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To: tirednvirginia

You're clueless. What is the evidence that this woman was raped?


36 posted on 05/27/2004 7:23:58 PM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Smogger
It was not introduced into evidence long ago. It was asserted by the defense.

It's still just being asserted--in its weird way--by the defense. And predictably enough, the court day came and went and the story changed.

When one is not dealing in facts, but spin (see democrat-style strategy which I can spot a mile away), that is just the way it goes.

Next

37 posted on 05/27/2004 7:36:44 PM PDT by cyncooper (There's a RAT line in Iraq)
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To: CW_Conservative

You highlighted the wrong word.

"could"


38 posted on 05/27/2004 7:38:01 PM PDT by cyncooper (There's a RAT line in Iraq)
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To: tirednvirginia
Women,who are REALLY raped,no matter by whom,do NOT have consensual sexual congress the next day.

As a matter of fact,they are so traumatized,that they find it difficult to even be touched,by anyone;sometimes for months or years after having been raped.

Perhaps you should do just a wee bit more research on topics you want to talk about. :-)

39 posted on 05/27/2004 7:48:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: cyncooper
Ah, one of the well-known Kobe-atagonists shows up. Where are your cohorts Cinfla, #3Fan, and af_vet?

It is clear that you have backed a horse that is a big time loser. As I have told you before, your prejudice and bias is overwhelming, and your blindness to any concept of justice is downright scary.
40 posted on 05/27/2004 8:03:46 PM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Iwo Jima
Antagonist?

I'm stung!

Where are your cohorts Cinfla, #3Fan, and af_vet?

Who?

Cohorts they are not, I don't know them. But it's the type of malformed conclusion I would expect from one who makes statements about backing horses.

I stick to facts, not innuendo or spin. I haven't made a conclusion unlike many here.

41 posted on 05/27/2004 8:10:48 PM PDT by cyncooper (There's a RAT line in Iraq)
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To: Howlin
One of the things that bothers me about this entire episode is that Kobe got the kind of legal representation which every criminal defendant should get but that only 1% do get. If every criminal defendant got first class representation of the calibre of Pamela Mackay (about whom I have nothing but superlative opinions), then we would have markedly less criminal convictions.

I am very uncomfortable with the fact that we are sending people to prison because they cannot afford the type of defense that Kobe got. Justice should not be this wealth-related.
42 posted on 05/27/2004 8:19:24 PM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Iwo Jima

Yeah. Well I find it disturbing too. Let that be a lesson to you. Put some money aside for that day or you might end up with a public defender.

Most defendants can't afford to pay the investigators needed to get to do their own investigation and instead are forced to rely on the states investigation. (ie the Police)
even if they can afford good legal representation.


43 posted on 05/28/2004 9:45:36 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: tirednvirginia

You must have driven over the speed limit sometime in your life. I think you should be prosecuted for reckless driving and lose your license.


44 posted on 05/28/2004 4:34:07 PM PDT by pragmatic_asian
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To: pragmatic_asian

If Kobe Bryant wasn't a famous basketball star, you guys wouldn't be worried about him one bit. If he was just a regular black guy, none of you would care.

Its amazing how many experts on rape have posted on this thread. I am so impressed.


45 posted on 05/28/2004 7:06:43 PM PDT by tirednvirginia ((But things are looking up!))
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To: tirednvirginia

"If Kobe Bryant wasn't a famous basketball star, you guys wouldn't be worried about him one bit. If he was just a regular black guy, none of you would care."

Kettle, meet pot.

"Its amazing how many experts on rape have posted on this thread. I am so impressed."

I'm no Pamela Mackey but I've defended both rape victims and accused rapists. One of my friends is a rape victim. I think I know a little more than the average person about rape. But the great thing about this site is that you don't have to be an expert on any subject to comment, otherwise you'd be silent all the time.


46 posted on 05/30/2004 10:18:32 AM PDT by pragmatic_asian
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